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Has anybody had experience with this shelter?

http://www.casa-animales.de

I am very interested in a puppy here, but I'm uncomfortable with the process. You sign the contract and pay, and then collect the puppy in Frankfurt. It is currently in Portugal.

Does anyone have experience with this? I know other shelters that work all over Europe, so that isn't unusual, and she can give me contacts she has worked with, but I don't know them either so they could be anyone that I am speaking with.

Feedback anyone?
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Re: Has anybody had experience with this shelter?

I would look at the link provided here:

Read this before getting a dog for your kids ...

BLV have a campaign running at the moment to give prospective buyers of dogs abroad info/advice.

Have you done the theory part of the SKN course yet? You need to do that before you get a dog.
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Re: Has anybody had experience with this shelter?

I was told I am exempt because we have had our current dog for 12 years, so I just have to do the training course.
I have kids, but the dog is for me, because I love the training, walking, etc.

My kids would get a little lap dog that would snuggle in their beds if I let them :-)
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Re: Has anybody had experience with this shelter?

Yes, in that case you don't need the theory part, just the practical with your new doggie friend.
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Re: Has anybody had experience with this shelter?

yes, I'm just really worried my doggy friend is a doggy scam! I can see this place is registered and so on. It just seems like a strange set up to me.
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Re: Has anybody had experience with this shelter?

If it doesn't feel right then just don't go there!

We looked too at rescuing after Bella died but I became really scared of getting scammed that we ended up going for our other dream, a pure bred. Even then we did a lot of research and visited a couple of breeders before deciding who to go with.

Good luck with your search.
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Re: Has anybody had experience with this shelter?

Where2,

I do not know this rescue so cannot comment on them. My comments are my own views on what is important in an adoption.

Every dog, even a puppy, is an individual. Even beyond the on-paper assessment as to whether you and your family meet the basic needs of the pup, the fit, the chemistry, must be right. Until you meet the dog you cannot assess whether you are right for the dog and the dog for you.

Adopting a dog without meeting it, without making a full assessment on both sides, is not something I would do.

From your thread of a couple of years ago, you have seen how it can go wrong.


Perhaps it would be better to work with a local rescue, where you can fully assess the dog with your whole household, over time.
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Re: Has anybody had experience with this shelter?

Where2 - and anyone else who is adopting or buying a dog abroad:

Be sure that you understand the info you need to provide in the new AMICUS database. The whole point of the database is better traceability of dogs, from birth on.

The database is new, the process still has a few kinks in it - the largest of which seems to be lack of clarity. If you decide to adopt abroad, before you do so you might want to speak with either the folks at your Gemeinde (who are the folks who manage your data) or your vet (who manages the dog's data) as to what info you might be asked to provide on your pup's origins.

You can read about it here, especially the Dog Owner's Handbook (under Hundehlter, click on 'Lesen' for the link.)
https://www.amicus.ch/Account/Login


(By the way, one should also read the sections for the Police, Gemeinde employees, Cantonal employees, Dog Trainers, and Veterinarians. Interesting stuff.)
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Re: Has anybody had experience with this shelter?

Hi Meloncollie,

Yes, this experience is exactly what makes me so hesitant. The dog is really a puppy, so the same issues aren't present, but new ones.
I'm very hesitant to take an older rescue dog after the last experience. This was absolutely horrible, and we spent as much time as possible with the dog, and insisted on the trial day as well. With any puppy, I cannot have a trial day, and we have to just go for it. I have always had animals from shelters because I believe in it, but there seems to always be a large risk attached.
I've been to the Gemeinde, the vet, read the entire BLV section on what the dogs needs, and the thing holding me back is not having met the dog, and being unsure of if this is a normal way for an animal shelter to operate. They are registered in Germany since 2009, and I find many places that operate this way, but I was hoping someone had some experience with them.
All feedback is very welcome, and thank you.
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Re: Has anybody had experience with this shelter?

What type of pup are you looking for?

There are several puppies listed on the Tierdatanbank - this would be the ideal situation for you, if the type of pup fit your needs.

(Where did the age category go? Anyway, scroll through, click on those that tug at your heartstrings - you'll see the age on the details page.)

And a bit of a sermon:

As you know, rescue is my raison d'Ítre, and I will always advocate for rescue whenever it is the right thing for the family.

BUT... after 20-plus years of rescue work, I have come to see that the more important thing is first ensuring that the family and dog fit is absolutely right, ensuring that the family will be able to give the dog a forever home - so that no more dogs end up in rescue.

This is the root of the problem, and the way to a long term solution to the numbers crisis. Rescue is not right for everyone, as much as I wish it were. If your family situation means that integrating an older dog into the exisiting structure will be problematic, if you cannot find a puppy in a rescue where you can meet the pup to fully assess the fit, then finding a well-bred pup from an ethical responsible breeder might be a better solution for you.

I'll say it again: 20+ years on the sharp end of rescue has shown me that what I do is pretty much akin to the boy with his thumb in the dyke. While keeping back the flood is necessary, even more important is working to keep dogs from ending up in rescue in the first place. From an ethical rescue or ethical breeder - where your dog comes from is, to my mind, less important than making sure that he has a happy home with you his entire life long.

Wishing you and your future furry friend all the very best.
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Re: Has anybody had experience with this shelter?

There is a very good Swiss-based rescue organization here which does great work re-homing dogs from Spain and Hungary. http://www.animal-happyend.ch/

I know of a number of people who have adopted from them, and they also speak english if you have specific questions.
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Re: Has anybody had experience with this shelter?

The puppy is four months old and a shepherd lab mix. I am looking for a dog exactly like this.
I am searching through the links posted. Thank you for those!
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The puppy is four months old and a shepherd lab mix. I am looking for a dog exactly like this.
I am searching through the links posted. Thank you for those!
Well I got all excited looking at the very lab-like 'S' puppies on the Tierdatenbank, until I went to the shelter's site and saw that they are reserved.

However, New Graceland does have another puppy in, Kaja, a 'Bitsa' - four months old:
http://www.newgraceland.org/de/hunde/kaja

And Pluto1, he will be smaller, looks like a terrier mix, also four months old:
http://www.newgraceland.org/de/hunde/pluto1-0

Not the breed mixes you had in mind, but perhaps worth a look.


Even if there isn't the right dog in now, you might want to contact New Graceland anyway. This is a rescue with a good reputation. They are primarily focused on the sight hound breeds, but from what I have seen on their listing they do seem to from time to time have puppies in of other breed mixes. They work with partner organizations in southern Europe, where the sight hounds are in so much need of help.

Perhaps drop them a mail describing your situation, ask if you might be considered if a puppy who might be a good fit comes in.

Ditto with Animal Happy End mentioned by MiniMax; they also have a good reputation.
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Re: Has anybody had experience with this shelter?

We are now working with Happy End. I just couldn't feel comfortable with the other place.

Thank you so much for your feedback.
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They are good people.

Paws crossed the right pup comes along soon.
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