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Seat Belts for dogs

Looking for a seat belt for the dog and came across these; looks great and the best in its class, but for the cost ; I would need to get a XS, S, M and then maybe L, which at 89$ is ...

http://sleepypod.com/clickit

Question, anybody else out there tried these, does anybody have one their dog has outgrown, could sell; send me a PM? Would consider buying a used one, when I need to trade up? send me a PM?

Anybody want to start a business renting them? send me a PM. I don't want to buy a harness that in reality is next to useless; as the test results for these things . and breaking the bank isn't going to work either.
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Re: Seat Belts for dogs

Before you decide to use one, It's important to understand what a safety harness is designed to do, and not to do.

The safety harness is designed to keep the dog from interfering with the driver during normal driving, and in the event of a minor fender bender to protect the dog by keeping him from being jolted about. But in the event of a more serious crash all the seat belt can do is to prevent (most of) the dog's body from injuring others being thrown about the vehicle or out a window.

If your rationale for use is the dog's safety, a box is better.

But that said, I keep Ruffwear safety harnesses in the car for any unexpected need that might arise, and find them useful as far as that goes.

http://www.ruffwear.com/Load-Up-Harn...&category=1131

All 'crash tested' safety harnesses are expensive, in the ca. 80-120 range. Auto boxes, on the other hand, will set you back 300-600 chuffs , into the 4 figures for custom made ones.

Cheap safety harnesses are available at the various pet stores and zooplus, also the extender to fit on a normal harness is sold at Coop BH. But these are not safety rated. But remember: it's more the driver's safety that is under consideration when these are rated... Only a box has a glimmer of a chance to protect your dog in a crash... And then that is even a roll of the dice.

I can't loan mine out, sorry, as they are part of my safety kit.

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Re: Seat Belts for dogs

Maybe you could persuade your dog to go with you to a large pet shop, and get measured up? They might be able to sell you a dog restraining belt.

I think the normal dog boxes are useless in an accident, if the dog moves only 10 cm against the front wall during an accident it is going to be injured.
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Maybe you could persuade your dog to go with you to a large pet shop, and get measured up? They might be able to sell you a dog restraining belt.

I think the normal dog boxes are useless in an accident, if the dog moves only 10 cm against the front wall during an accident it is going to be injured.
And most boxes haven't had any sort of testing at all. none.
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Re: Seat Belts for dogs

I have one safety harness which I no longer use.

I had two but I sold one to an EF member some time ago.

Send me a PM with an email address if you want photos.
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Re: Seat Belts for dogs

In case anyone is looking for a car crate I came across this company/ad. The pricing seems very good. Don't know anything about them (it is their brand). Free delivery.

https://fr.vidaxl.ch/p/170014/cage-auto-box-l

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Re: Seat Belts for dogs

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And most boxes haven't had any sort of testing at all. none.
Some have by tcs and the following video is worth a look. We have just bought a new one from Schmidt who sell 2 of the ones tested. I have put the old one on the market place if you need a small.


https://www.tcs.ch/de/testberichte-r...hundeboxen.php
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Re: Seat Belts for dogs

The TCS test article points out that a crash at 50 Km/hr will put a 25 G force on anyone in the vehicle. Humans wearing seat belts must keep the belt close to the body, if there is any slack in the belt it will not give enough protection: the body will continue forward for a few centimeters and then crash into the stationary belt. All this is well documented.

How can a box in a car protect an animal in a crash? In a 50 Km/h crash the animal will continue forwards at 50 Km/h for a few centimeters and crash into the wall of the box. A 25 G force on a body is extreme!

The only protection I can envisage is to buy a strong coat for the animal and connect this to the seat belt using the strap & buckle. Do such systems exist?
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The TCS test article points out that a crash at 50 Km/hr will put a 25 G force on anyone in the vehicle. Humans wearing seat belts must keep the belt close to the body, if there is any slack in the belt it will not give enough protection: the body will continue forward for a few centimeters and then crash into the stationary belt. All this is well documented.

How can a box in a car protect an animal in a crash? In a 50 Km/h crash the animal will continue forwards at 50 Km/h for a few centimeters and crash into the wall of the box. A 25 G force on a body is extreme!

The only protection I can envisage is to buy a strong coat for the animal and connect this to the seat belt using the strap & buckle. Do such systems exist?

Very good points and ones I missed with my poor German. I was horrified when looking at the video how all of the boxes to some extent or other were damaged by the 'dog' being thrown around in a crash.

I think the use of any type of restraint, be it box or harness is actually there more to protect the humans in the car than the animal. That being said we intend to fit 'crash pads' in our box to alleviate some of the danger. We also have a harness and strap that fits into the seat belt buckle which we use if it is too hot for the box. The biggest problem with this is you need to allow enough length for the dog to move from sitting to lying and turn around. Questionably safe.
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Re: Seat Belts for dogs

Are there any laws requiring some type harnesses/restraints/box?

Here in my state in the US, you must have a Harness/belt on your pets.

Like you said, more for passenger protection than pet safety.

It is to prevent a pet from moving forward at 20-30 kmph and snapping your neck, also for preventing distractions when driving.

We have a 30Kg dog with large harness, he can still move around a bit and stick his head out of the window.
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Are there any laws requiring some type harnesses/restraints/box?
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In general, the dog must not be allowed to distract/interfer with the driver. Which can be accomplished many ways.

In law, an animal in a car is considered cargo, and falls under those rules. That is to say, that there are really no specific regs as to where the dog must sit or how it must be secured. Common sense is called for.

But what one must do and what one should do are not the same thing.

A few good articles:

http://hundemagazin.ch/gute-fahrt/
http://www.daniel-jung.ch/Hunde/Auto...0-%20Recht.pdf
http://www.tierwelt.ch/?rub=4486&id=41015
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And most boxes haven't had any sort of testing at all. none.
TCS did one: https://www.tcs.ch/de/testberichte-r...hundeboxen.php
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Re: Seat Belts for dogs

Here is another one: https://www.adac.de/infotestrat/test...stier_im_auto/
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Re: Seat Belts for dogs

Sleepypod "boxes" are flexible and so somewhat better than the rigid ones. Here is a video of one crash tested.

Of course, the main objective is to prevent the animal being flung into the driver or passengers rather than animal safety.

From the cost viewpoint they run close to CHF 300.
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Re: Seat Belts for dogs

As already correctly mentioned, the law in Europe only states that the transported animal must not hinder nor distract the driver. If the animal is tied to the seat, it is transported legally. When using a box, the animal must have enough room to move inside the box.

Both the testers (Swiss TCS, German ADAC) considered the retraining aspect of transporting the animal. Both tests were acceptable for testing the construction of the boxes, and safety of the humans.

But only the ADAC German tests were more relevant to the animal safety.
ADAC reported (As I mentioned above, and for which I received a groan) that in a box the animal will suffer a 25 g force in a 50 Km crash, and will be seriously injured, however the driver will escape injury.

They tested small plastic boxes placed on the back seat, retrained by the car belt, and as the video shows, the animal burst out of the box and hits the back of the front car seat, and would be seriously injured.

They tested a harness secured to the car seat belt. The idea was OK, but in practise there was too much slack in the animal belt to be effective. If the animal belt was made tighter the animal belt remained inadequate and stretched.

They made the tests by using soft toys and & filling them with ballast to achieve animal weights of 5kg for cats and 15Kg for dogs. They didn't have any crash sensors to fit on the dummies, as are used when testing human dummies, but the results showed that in all cases the animals would have serious injuries or be killed.

The ADAC writes, that the law states the animal must have enough room to move. The laws of physics state the animal will be seriously injured in a crash.

Conclusion, there is no completely safe method of transporting animals in cars.
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