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Apartment hunting and dogs

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I am moving permanently to Zurich next year and starting to look for apartments. At the same time, I am looking to get a puppy early next year. Just searching for 'pet friendly' apartments on homegate etc - nothing much comes up.

What has your experience been moving around with dogs?

My inclination is to find the apartment first and check out the terms of the contract on pets, which likely will say it is up to the discretion of the landlord. Before signing, I can then ask the landlord if this may be acceptable in the future? Or I could just be up front before applying but I imagine I'd get rejected in the application for the apartment more often. I have a relocation agent that will be assisting me (I am in between London and Zurich at the moment so it will be a permanent move to ZH).
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Hi all

I am moving permanently to Zurich next year and starting to look for apartments. At the same time, I am looking to get a puppy early next year. Just searching for 'pet friendly' apartments on homegate etc - nothing much comes up.

What has your experience been moving around with dogs?

My inclination is to find the apartment first and check out the terms of the contract on pets, which likely will say it is up to the discretion of the landlord. Before signing, I can then ask the landlord if this may be acceptable in the future? Or I could just be up front before applying but I imagine I'd get rejected in the application for the apartment more often. I have a relocation agent that will be assisting me (I am in between London and Zurich at the moment so it will be a permanent move to ZH).
This. Make them like you first, then a dog is less of an issue. Leastways we've had good success with this method.
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Renting with a dog in UK is even more difficult than in CH. Even if you own a flat in UK, it is likely the Owners' assoc will not allow dogs.

In CH- the further you go out of town the easier it becomes. Rural villages are much more likely to allow dogs than town centre. And of course the environment is much more suitable too. Depends on size and type too- and also if you intend to leave the dog alone all day when at work- which is likely to lead to barking and other unsociable behaviour and damage. How long to you intend to take off work to train the dog when you get him/her? And will you take an adult dog from a rescue? Again, you will have to take some time off and be flexible in your working hours to come home regularly, at least at first - or are you coming with a partner who will be at home, at least part of the time.

Edit- just seen your other post. Will someone be at home to train the puppy?

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I agree, get the flat first and only if someone is with the puppy 24/7 should you buy an animal.
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Really Sbrinz that is just a bit too much. 24/7 is only for the first few weeks or months - after that dogs can usually spend up to 4-6 hrs on their own, if you get them used to it slowly.

One stupid stupid woman today was offering a choc lab on a Swiss re-homing site. She has 2 very young children and work 60% - and AFTER ONE WEEK - said she just could't cope and had to re-home him. ONE week- some people just have not got a clue ... poor animals. She said she couldn't resist because he was sooo cute

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Hi all

I am moving permanently to Zurich next year and starting to look for apartments. At the same time, I am looking to get a puppy early next year. Just searching for 'pet friendly' apartments on homegate etc - nothing much comes up.

What has your experience been moving around with dogs?

My inclination is to find the apartment first and check out the terms of the contract on pets, which likely will say it is up to the discretion of the landlord. Before signing, I can then ask the landlord if this may be acceptable in the future? Or I could just be up front before applying but I imagine I'd get rejected in the application for the apartment more often. I have a relocation agent that will be assisting me (I am in between London and Zurich at the moment so it will be a permanent move to ZH).
Nothing much comes up? Really? I just did a search on homegate and came up with 234 places in Zurich where pets are allowed, for the whole canton 1,000. Immoscout24.ch comes up with 133 in the city of Zurich.

That said always check and double check that pets are allowed and if possible get it written into your rental contract. Also even if an ad says pets aren't allowed it's always worth asking as sometimes it depends on the type and size of the pet. And be prepared to add a few francs extra cover for any doggie damage to your personal liability insurance.

Bear in mind that Switzerland does have strict dog ownership laws. Currently you are required to do the SKN dog ownership course both theory and practical, though this is probably going to be phased out in future. If you've owned dogs before then you may be able to get an exemption from the cantonal veterinary office from doing the SKN theory, but you'd still need to do the practical part of the course. And you'll need to make sure the dog does have human company during the day, either you coming home from work at lunchtime to walk it or you hiring a dog walker to do it for you. Iirc the rule is a dog can't be left alone for more than 6 hours. There are many threads here in the Pets Corner part of the forum on SKN and dog ownership so have a read through those to get an idea of what's going to be expected of you as an owner.

Edit: Seeing one of your older posts, are you still a non-EU national? If so, getting your permit is the main problem at the moment. Has your employer applied and had the application approved yet?

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Re: Apartment hunting and dogs

We didn't search for a dog friendly apartment as such but when we had decided on a place we liked we asked if it was okay to bring a dog and they said completely fine no problem and we are right in the centre.
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One stupid stupid woman today was offering a choc lab on a Swiss re-homing site.
Oh, there are such funny ways to read that. I thought: offered a "choc lab"? Someone offering a real "chocolate laboratory"? Oooooh, yes, please!

Thanks, Odile, for making me laugh at myself.

I agree completely with you, though, and Sbrinz, and the many patient posts of meloncollie, that one should acquire a dog ONLY if willing to make a long-term commitment that is fair to the dog: to that type of dog in general, and to the age, developmental stage, and character of the particular dog.
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Bear in mind that Switzerland does have strict dog ownership laws. Currently you are required to do the SKN dog ownership course both theory and practical, though this is probably going to be phased out in future. If you've owned dogs before then you may be able to get an exemption from the cantonal veterinary office from doing the SKN theory, but you'd still need to do the practical part of the course. And you'll need to make sure the dog does have human company during the day, either you coming home from work at lunchtime to walk it or you hiring a dog walker to do it for you. Iirc the rule is a dog can't be left alone for more than 6 hours. There are many threads here in the Pets Corner part of the forum on SKN and dog ownership so have a read through those to get an idea of what's going to be expected of you as an owner.
The SKN federal law will be revoked by January 1, 2017.

The cantonal law regarding Junghundekurs and Erziehungskurs for dogs belonging to breed type I will remain. Additionally, "VETA ZH" is discussing to invent the cantonal SKN law, but only for first time dog owners.
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The SKN federal law will be revoked by January 1, 2017.
Link please. I've seen it's going to be dropped, but nothing about an official date.

https://www.englishforum.ch/pet-corn...on-thread.html
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Link please. I've seen it's going to be dropped, but nothing about an official date.

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Sorry, no link, just a circular mail from VETA to all certified dog trainers. Quote: "Gemäss unseren Informationen wird die Ausbildungspflicht nach Bundesrecht frühestens auf den 1. Januar 2017 abgeschafft."

Hope this helps.
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Link please. I've seen it's going to be dropped, but nothing about an official date.

https://www.englishforum.ch/pet-corn...on-thread.html
The most official I have found is : "earlist by January 1 2017 or later"

https://www.blv.admin.ch/blv/de/home...de-halten.html

Legal background is Art. 68 TSchV an ordinance. Means Federal Council (Bundesrat) can change it w/o respecting the 100 day referendum period which applies to law.

The changes of the TSchV can be seen at this link, the new proposed change should show up there as well.
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...6/history.html
As you can see from publishing a change until it camoes into force takes sometimes less than a month. Major changes are normally scheduled for the new year.
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I contacted them regarding this and they said it would no longer be required from Jan 2017.
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I contacted them regarding this and they said it would no longer be required from Jan 2017.
Just to emphasize:

Although the federal SKN will no longer be required, please keep abreast of changes to cantonal dog law. Now that the federal government has said it no longer has any interest in promoting canine education abd safety, there seems to be much talk of the various cantons putting stronger measures into place.

We tended to emphasize the federal law in discussions here on EF as that was one constant - but now we need to keep cantonal law in the forefront.

And if I could add a plea:

I would urge all dog owners to keep taking classes voluntarily - especially foreigners, both long term residents and newcomers to Switzerland. I fear that having abandoned the SKN, the next serious incident involving a dog will result in more draconian measures - and you know if a foreigner is involved it will be worse for us all.

As outsiders to Swiss culture, many of us are taken by surprise by 'Swiss canine norms'. Expectations are indeed different here, not knowing or following those norms will hurt your dog. Fines for allowing your dog to piddle on common grassy areas, barking at noon, restrictions on leaving your dog alone in your flat, to name a few differences - and of course there is a difference in the level of training expected.

Once you settle in, please take a dog class if only to learn what your neighbors will expect of you. Starting on the right foot (and paw) will make it much easier on you and your dog.

There are many good Hundeschule and many different types of classes offered, from basic training to Familienhund to a wide variety of dog sports to special interest courses. Classes are offered in many different languages, use this hobby as a way to augment your German/French/Italian classes. Or if you prefer, take classes in English - for instance, EF member Cherrry Tree offers these.

I am saddened that the SKN is no longer required, and having lived through the witch hunt that followed the Oberglatt tragedy, I fear that backsliding on the part of Swiss dog owners will see those dark days return.

Not to mention - taking classes is IME the easiest way to find your feet and make friends in your new home. A good Hundeschule can be a 'soft landing' for newcomers to Switzerland.

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