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Old 02.03.2010, 16:06
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Help needed re dog with surgical "Elizabethan" collar

Our Rotti Kyra had to have a small wound in her neck sorted yesterday and she's wearing what I called a "bucket" round her head to stop her scratching the scar (just found out they are called "Elizabethan Surigical Collars").

She was put under yesterday afternoon and woke last night in a lot of distress. As the collar is pretty big she was walking into door frames and soon became a nervous wreck. We got her to sleep last night finally but this morning she was just sat on her sofa whimpering. She's calmer now and I've managed to get her out into the garden a couple of times but she still hasn't been to the loo for 24 hours now - she is drinking and eating a little - but I'm guessing as she can't sniff the ground (or is too scared to as the collar catches in the snow and dirt when she tries) to find a place to go.

I'm sure she'll go when she's really desperate but it's heart breaking to see her so sad and nervous. Any tips on making her comfortable? She's with the other dog (yes, we have another Rotti now - more anon!) and he can sense she needs leaving alone and is being good as gold.
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Old 02.03.2010, 16:15
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Re: Help needed re dog with surgical "Elizabethan" collar

Is it not possible to cut the collar down a touch... Say a couple of inches of the outer radius.

I guess the best thing is that she can probably do a really good impression of a lamp at the moment....

Sorry I cant be more helpful.

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Old 02.03.2010, 16:16
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Re: Help needed re dog with surgical "Elizabethan" collar

She may still be feeling the effect of the anaesthetic, it will probably go in a little bit... good luck
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Old 02.03.2010, 16:17
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Re: Help needed re dog with surgical "Elizabethan" collar

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Is it not possible to cut the collar down a touch... Say a couple of inches of the outer radius.

I guess the best thing is that she can probably do a really good impression of a lamp at the moment....

Sorry I can be more helpful.
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on topic: poor dog. i dont think you should do anything. is for her own good and she wont wear it long will she?
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Old 02.03.2010, 16:21
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Re: Help needed re dog with surgical "Elizabethan" collar

Can the collar not be removed temporarily, allowing you to supervise an occasional outdoor excursion, and re-attach it afterwards?

Otherwise, I agree with portsmouth68: If possible trim it to where it still does its job, but is no bigger than really necessary for that purpose.

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Old 02.03.2010, 16:24
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Re: Help needed re dog with surgical "Elizabethan" collar

Bella "the good Chihuahua" wore hers with hate, but it she would have been worse without it. You just have to live with those eyes looking at you Mike, Kyra will get better faster than had she licked herself.

Btw, Bella attacked the vet (Little Miss Docile) and you can even see bite marks on the collar where she had gone at it (and him at the same time)
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Re: Help needed re dog with surgical "Elizabethan" collar

We did take it off for a mo last night but she started scratching straight away. I'll see about trimming it down a bit along the bottom edge, will also help with drinking as she's making quite a mess at the mo!
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Re: Help needed re dog with surgical "Elizabethan" collar

Hey there! I've been through many surgeries with my dogs over the last couple years. They all hated the collars and I only used when I wasn't sitting in the same room as the injured pup. The elizabethan collar doesn't come out like a cone its flat on there neck all my dogs preferred the elizabethan to the cone b/c they could lie down w/ head on ground/bed comfortaly where as the plastic cone is more severe. I always took the cone off for bathroom time/walks/eating. (**are they able to get water w/ out smashing bowl? is it elevated?. They are extremely embarrassed by the cone (they know they look funny). Try a little walk he/she shouldn't need the cone if you are walking and able to stop them from licking. Just remember everyone hates being in a cone, plain and simple it sucks! Good luck! I wish you and your 4-legged friend the fastest and best recovery and hopefully you will only need the cone for a few days til the wound heals.
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Old 02.03.2010, 16:26
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Re: Help needed re dog with surgical "Elizabethan" collar

Alternatively, put gloves on her paws.
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Old 02.03.2010, 16:28
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Re: Help needed re dog with surgical "Elizabethan" collar

I don't know if you an get them out here, but you could try something like this

http://www.comfycollars.co.uk/

it does pretty much the same thing, just without the big lampshade around their head. It does depend whereabouts the wound on her neck is though.
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Re: Help needed re dog with surgical "Elizabethan" collar

the elizabethan collars were originally devised to stop the animal from chewing through surgical stitches if they were operated in area that are accessible (neutered / spayed, legs operations et al), so they are oversized as standard. as the wound is in the neck, I assume is very close to the base of the collar, so you can trim away a fair bit as long as she can't reach the wound and scratch it with her paws.

probably a good idea to get hold of the vet and ask his/her opinion
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Old 02.03.2010, 16:34
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Re: Help needed re dog with surgical "Elizabethan" collar

This is the opposite of Grumpy's problem. A lampshade pretending to be a dog
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Old 02.03.2010, 17:01
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Re: Help needed re dog with surgical "Elizabethan" collar

Grumpy, is it possible that the collar might be a bit too big for her? what about the next size down? Will it be better and still prevent her from licking her wounds?

Oskar was in distress when he had his balls chopped off last August and he was seriously stressed out for the next 24 hours whilst coming down from the anesthetic and figuring out why he was wearing that darn thing. The collar also limited his vision and he also refused to eat, wee or poop. He just went into a corner, whimpering and feeling extremely sorry for himself. The vet as well as a friend of mine, who is a vet said to wait it out i.e when he really needs to go.

But I tried taking the collar off when I took him out for a wee and put it back on immediately when we got back to the house. Worked! A little troublesome and he needed telling off not to scratch but like you, I couldnt bear it to see him hold it in. Hope that'll work for you.
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Old 02.03.2010, 17:05
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Oskar was in distress when he had his balls chopped off last August and he was seriously stressed out for the next 24 hours
Oh come on! The dog wasn't stressed because of a lamp shade, he just had his balls cut off!!!
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Old 02.03.2010, 17:07
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Oh come on! The dog wasn't stressed because of a lamp shade, he just had his balls cut off!!!
Yes, I was wondering how long before this comment came up
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Old 02.03.2010, 17:10
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Re: Help needed re dog with surgical "Elizabethan" collar

Grumpy, I also received sound advice from some EFers when I posted something similar then. Melloncollie had some good alternatives.

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Old 02.03.2010, 17:31
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Re: Help needed re dog with surgical "Elizabethan" collar

Did you try lifting a smaller water bowl to Kyra's mouth?
This collar probably feels less humiliating (sorry don't know where to find one, Grumpy):



Do ask the vet if she/he has a post-surgical bodysuit that's high-necked enough. Or fashion a broad gauze collar?

When our foster Lab was spayed, they put her in a fitted bodysuit which protected her wound (which, by the way, didn't sport stitches; the incision was biologically 'glued' shut, the vet explained). She didn't like it so much, merely tolerated it and gave me humiliated looks; and it slid off 'shoulder' sometimes when she sat down. A few times she managed to wiggle out of it by morning and gave us a scare. Thank Dog she healed well and quickly.

P.S. Hey, how about trying to re-fashion an old turtleneck for Kyra? Would that work, you think? Unrolling it would give the extra 'high' protection.
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Re: Help needed re dog with surgical "Elizabethan" collar

Thanks for all the tips everyone! I've cut it don a bit and she seems a bit happier. I have to go out now but will post an up-date tomorrow.
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Re: Help needed re dog with surgical "Elizabethan" collar

As mentioned by others, they know they look stupid and are often embarrassed by having to wear that...thing

Put the water bowl on something a bit higher that the collar will go around, that will help her as well.

When our girl was spayed, we called it her party hat. She called it torment and tried to look as sad as felinely possible at every opportunity.

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Re: Help needed re dog with surgical "Elizabethan" collar

Talk about looking sorry...




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