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Old 04.04.2010, 12:23
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Dogs in Cars

Do they have to be restrained?
Sorry, it's probably already been said - but I'm on my phone so it's fiddley to search and I'd just love a quick answer!

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Old 04.04.2010, 12:25
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Re: Dogs in Cars

Yep they have to be, it's the law, you either need a transport box or a thingy that can be attached to the safety belt on the backbench of the car.

I just got our nylon transport box from Ricardo for 35 swiss bucks instead of 169 well worth to have a look there, coz at the moment i can't afford a metal cagey thing.

And its foldable,and can also be used when you go on holiday as a doggie bed etcetc
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Re: Dogs in Cars

Okay thanks!
Guess the puppies are staying home today

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Re: Dogs in Cars

Actually, there appear to be only vague legal restrictions, the main one being that animals must be transported in such a way that they do not (and cannot) interfere with the driver. The following article (only in German I am afraid) makes interesting reading.

http://www.hundemagazin.ch/pdf/hundfahrradauto.pdf

One thing though is that the article dates from 2004 and I am not sure whether any new restrictions were introduced with the new animal protection laws.
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Old 04.04.2010, 17:53
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Re: Dogs in Cars

I just put a normal dog bed in the boot, and installed a grill in the back so that the dog stays in the boot.
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I just put a normal dog bed in the boot, and installed a grill in the back so that the dog stays in the boot.
Good solution , the best is to have a box for the dog.

Remember that if you have an accident, a *free* dog will not only be wounded, but he can wound or even kill yourself. (I know it's huge but it can become a very effective projectile....)
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Good solution , I know it's huge but it can become a very effective projectile....
hmm good idea, i'll remember that next time i need to throw something at someone!!!
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Old 04.04.2010, 18:21
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hmm good idea, i'll remember that next time i need to throw something at someone!!!
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I just put a normal dog bed in the boot, and installed a grill in the back so that the dog stays in the boot.
Yeah that's wise
They're just not my dogs, and I know their owner drives around with them free in the back, but I didn't want to risk it if it wasn't allowed. Just feel sorry for them being alone. I can't really modify the car properly for them just for the day though. They are home with us now though and have been walked and fed and are passed out at our feet. Cuties.
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Old 04.04.2010, 22:00
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Re: Dogs in Cars

When I was travelling with my dog in Spain he was sitting on the front seat wearing his car harness (like a walking one but padded and with a seatbelt strap loop) unfortunately he had done a few turns around and tangled himself up so I had undone it to leave him to sleep on the seat (5 hours driving not very fun in an sitting up position) and a policeman (very kindly obviously) pulled us over. He fined me 40€ and made sure that the dog was restrained enough to not be able to interfere with the driver or console (gearstick/handbrake being main concern). BUT he said that it wasn't necessary to have a car harness like my dog had. A collar and a bit of rope tied around the headrest was enough (sounds like a great way to choke your dog if you have to stop suddenly).
Anyway point being is the carharness enough in Switzerland? I assumed so far that most of the laws governing these things were standard across EU countries and then assumed they would be the same in Switzerland. yes ok maybe a silly assumption but I prefer the seat harness to a cage or grill in the back as when you stop/crash the dog will still get flung against something solid (maybe where a leg can go through and become crushed etc
Is the opinion that restraint is enough?
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Old 05.04.2010, 01:15
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Re: Dogs in Cars

As long as you can keep your dog quiet in the back seat is ok guess. Back home i have a dog who insists that she is a better driver than me and wants to sit on top of me while im driving. So i have to ask someone to come with me whenever she need to get in the car. Not very convinient for the other person but there is no other way. Fortunately my car in Geneva has enough space for a dog in the boot
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Re: Dogs in Cars

I think the law says you need to stay concentrate on your driving.

so no music, no phone, no sandwich and no animals walking creeping or flying through the car
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Anyway point being is the carharness enough in Switzerland?
My understanding (I've asked my trainer, but haven't trawled through the various statutes myself...) is that a harness is enough to satisfy the law, which is mostly concerned about interference with the driver.

I have one dog who must ride in the passenger seat of my Smart - any time he rides in the back he vomits. So I attach the seat belt to his harness. It's plenty secure for the purposes of the law, but I do worry about him in a crash. (Driving a Smart, I worry about everyone in the car - in front or in the boot - in the event of a crash... )

My dogs wear Ruffwear Webmaster harnesses for everyday activities - these are snug fitting almost vest-like harnesses with a loop along the back. These work well in a car - the seat belt slips into the back loop. The dog can sit up or lie down, he can move as far as the seat belt flexes but not so much that he would get tangled in the belt.

You can also get a special Bringsel thingy to attach to a regular harness to use with a seat belt - honestly, I've found the Ruffwear attached to the seat belt more secure. But that's a personal preference.

One thing bears emphasizing - for the dog's safety, car seat belts should only be attached to a harness, never a collar!
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Re: Dogs in Cars

Without PDC (Parking Distance Control) I hear that they're really crap at parking, but you can dispense with a separate car alarm. I wouldn't allow a canine in my car, I mean, this is serious man space for man ruminations and man music and I don't need Muttley slobbering down my collar.
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Re: Dogs in Cars

My 2 travel in the back with a harness around their body attached with a chain to the loops in the floor pan. We always did this in the UK for their safety (in the event of a crash - they can't escape onto the road), so they couldn't jump all over the car, and also, if in a crash they can't be flung forward, killing you in the process. As a dog is as heavy as a child and a child not restrained could kill you, so can your dog.

I would never just attach something to their collar a they could be killed in a crash like that.

After meeting a very nice policeman in Zug, the rule is that the dog mustn't be able to distract the driver or interfer with the driving. So no need for a cage.

BTW - anyone know what to do if you see a dog left in a car in hot weather? I presume its reportable to the police and that they will act?
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BTW - anyone know what to do if you see a dog left in a car in hot weather? I presume its reportable to the police and that they will act?
I was wondering about this, too, the other day -- I was skiing in Chatel (France ... just) and parked in a large outdoor csr park. I returned to my car some 6 or 7 hours later and noticed that the car parked behind me (with Belgian plates) was the same as when I left my car. But this time I also noticed the small dog locked inside, all windows wound right up, and no bowl of water in sight.

The air temperature was 7 degrees. But the sun was shining brightly all day and my car was very warm inside. The focussing and insulating properties of glass are amazing. Fortunately, the owners of the car and dog returned at the same time and I gave them an earful. I'm prepared to believe they were ignorant tw4ts but I'm not so naif as to believe they won't do it again.

Simple rule: dogs in locked cars = dead dogs, even if it's not a hot day and even if the windows are cracked open a little. Less than an hour on a hot day is enough to kill a dog, or a small child for that matter. I would definitely call the police if I saw this again.
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Simple rule: dogs in locked cars = dead dogs, even if it's not a hot day and even if the windows are cracked open a little. Less than an hour on a hot day is enough to kill a dog, or a small child for that matter. I would definitely call the police if I saw this again.
I agree with you on a hot day, or if the sun is shining onto the car, but not when it's cold outside, and the windows are left open a couple of inches to air the car, and there is water.

Even the police advise that if you are to leave your dog in a car on a hot day to make sure the windows are open adequately enough for proper ventillation. We have left our dog in the car for hours whilst we go skiing or shopping, being careful not to park in the sun, making sure he has enough air to ventilate the car and that he has water to drink.
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BTW - anyone know what to do if you see a dog left in a car in hot weather? I presume its reportable to the police and that they will act?
Thumbing through 'Tier Im Recht Transparent' - a book chock full of interesting information rendered almost useless by it's lack of an index - I found the following: (Paraphrasing, using my less than fluent German, chapter 15.1.4)

'Herr K noticed that a dog was left in an auto, parked in the hot sun, in a shopping center parking lot. All the windows were closed, the dog was in distress. Herr K believed that the dog would not survive. He broke the car window, freed the dog, gave him water, and brought him into the shade, where after a while the dog recovered.

The car owner demanded that Herr K pay for the damage to his window. Is this correct?

The TIR answer:

Although there is no obligation to rescue an animal in an emergency, one is allowed to, and if one can one should. But breaking into personal property is only allowed in a true life-treatening emergency, and only if the emergency cannot be dealt with in any other way. Herr K should have first tried to find the owner, say via the loudspeaker at the shopping mall. If that was not possible then he should have called the police or the fire department - who could have used the proper tools to free the dog.

However, if there is an acute life-threatening danger one may take action. Based on the dog's poor condition, Herr K believed that the dog was in immediate and mortal danger, and he could not waste time looking for the owner or wait for the police. In this case, Herr K is not liable for the damage to the auto that was necessary in order to save the dog's life.

It seems to hang on the question of how acute the emergency is. In a clear cut, time-critical emergency, the owner of the car must pay for the damage to his window done in a effort to save the dog. However, if the situation was really not critical and Herr K failed to try other steps first, then Herr K could be made to pay for the damage.

TIR recommends that one enlist witnesses before breaking into someone's car. ( )

And by the way... depending on the circumstances, the owner of the car could be charged with Tierqušlerei (animal abuse) for putting the dog in a life threatening situation.'

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I agree with you on a hot day, or if the sun is shining onto the car, but not when it's cold outside, and the windows are left open a couple of inches to air the car, and there is water.

Even the police advise that if you are to leave your dog in a car on a hot day to make sure the windows are open adequately enough for proper ventillation. We have left our dog in the car for hours whilst we go skiing or shopping, being careful not to park in the sun, making sure he has enough air to ventilate the car and that he has water to drink.

And the only thing that bothers him is us coming back! He is looking us like "I was fine here. Why did you wake me up?"
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I agree with you on a hot day, or if the sun is shining onto the car, but not when it's cold outside, and the windows are left open a couple of inches to air the car, and there is water.

Even the police advise that if you are to leave your dog in a car on a hot day to make sure the windows are open adequately enough for proper ventillation. We have left our dog in the car for hours whilst we go skiing or shopping, being careful not to park in the sun, making sure he has enough air to ventilate the car and that he has water to drink.
We tried that once with our little camel, didn't last for 5 minutes then we saw him galloping by - he had simply jumped through the protecting net in the boot and then out the window must have been painful for him but there was no way he would stay in the car with us gone, no sir!
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