With the recent unfortunate incident of first time owners not doing sufficient research before buying a new puppy and unethical breeders out there - especially those across the border, preying on potential dog owners due to the high Swiss prices for a pure breed, I thought it will be great to start a thread for anyone who wants to go down the breeder route. Lots of information has already been posted on rescue dogs and I think the pure breeds deserve a thread of their own.

SOURCE: American Humane Society

So, you've decided to get a dog. You're prepared to feed, exercise, train, go for dog classes, clean up after, work through problems with, and love a dog every day for the next ten to fifteen years.

You've evaluated your lifestyle and know exactly what sort of dog you're looking for (eg: a high energy dog to go running with, or a more sedate dog to lounge on the couch with), and you know that you need to seek out your desired characteristics in an individual dog, not a breed, because a breed is no guarantee of temperament or likes and dislikes.

You've checked out the purebred rescue group for your preferred breed, but still haven't found "The One." In the end, if you've decided to buy a dog from a breeder, you'll want to support one who has their dogs' best interests at heart. So how do you identify a compassionate and responsible breeder?

First and foremost, good breeders don’t sell their puppies to the first person who shows up with cash in hand.

A good breeder will:

- Keep dogs in the home as part of the family—not outside in kennel runs

- Only breeds one or two types of dogs and is knowledgeable about the breeds

- Doesn’t always have puppies available but keeps a list of interested people for the next available litter

- Has dogs who appear happy and healthy and don’t shy away from visitors

- Shows you where the dogs spend their time—in a clean, well-maintained area

- Encourages you to spend time with the puppy’s parents—at a minimum, the pup’s mother—when you visit

- Has a strong relationship with one or more local veterinarians and shows you individual records of veterinary visits for your puppy

- Explains in detail the potential genetic problems inherent to the breed (every breed has a specific genetic predisposition) and provides documentation that the puppy’s parents and grandparents have been tested to ensure that they are free of these genetic problems

- Offers guidance for the care and training of your puppy and is available for assistance after you take your puppy home

- Provides references from other families who have purchased puppies

- Feeds high quality “premium” brand pet food

- Is actively involved with local, state, and national clubs that specialize in the specific breed. They may even compete the dogs in conformation trials, obedience trials, or tracking and agility trials

- Encourages multiple visits and wants your entire family to meet the puppy

- Provides you with a written contract and health guarantee and allows plenty of time for you to read it thoroughly; the breeder should not require that you use a specific veterinarian

In addition, you’ll want a breeder who requires you to:

- Explain why you want a dog

- Explain who in your family will be responsible for the pup’s daily care, who will attend training classes, where the dog will spend most of his or her time, and what “rules” have been decided upon for the
puppy—for example, whether the dog will be allowed on furniture

- Provide proof from your landlord that you are allowed to have a dog

- Provide a veterinary reference

- Sign a contract that you will spay or neuter the dog unless you will be actively showing him or her (only applies to show-quality dogs)

- Sign a contract stating that you will return the dog to the breeder should you be unable to keep the dog at any point in the dog’s life

If the breeder you’re working with doesn’t meet all of these minimum criteria, walk away. Remember, a dog will likely live for 10 to 20 years, so it’s well worth investing some time to be sure you’re working with a reputable breeder who breeds healthy, happy dogs.

Resources:

http://www.skg.ch/

The SKG has been around since 1883 here in Switzerland and it is the body that represents canine interests and healthy breeding in this country. All SKG registered breeders have to undergo stringent scrutiny and tests to ensure that they uphold the high standards of breeding.

Prices will not vary much from breeder to breeder. The community here is small and very controlled. You pay for what you get. Quality and the assurance that your puppy comes from healthy parents who have been screened for the common genetic breed problems before being allowed to mate.

A list of breeders can be found here:
http://www.skg.ch/pid/104.html

There are also groups of dogs out there who have their own separate clubs but are all SKG registered. Some that I can think of at the moment:

Retriever/labrador club:
http://www.retriever.ch/

Terrier club:
http://www.terrierclub.ch/

Bulldogs club:
http://www.suisse-bully.ch/

Rottweiler club:
http://www.rottweilerhunde-club.ch/deutsch/indexde.htm

Beagle club:
http://www.beagleclub.ch/

Daschund club:
http://www.dackel.ch/

For anyone who is thinking of doing down the breeder route, please do not hesitate to PM me if you've any questions about procedures etc. I've bought a dog from a SKG registered breeder less than two years ago and couldnt be happier.

Dog Breeding in Switzerland

I thought this was going to be another "dating in Switzerland" thread

All of that is spot on summerrain.

Our Toy Poodle called Bruce agrees 100%.

Good post, Summerrain!

I'll add another criteria:

Has the breeder asked if you have completed the SKN?

The TschV is now fully in force - meaning that any first time dog buyer/adopter is required to have completed the theory portion of the Sachkundenachweis before purchasing or adopting a dog. While the law places the onus on the buyer/adopter, an ethical breeder will not allow one of his/her puppies to leave without having seen proof that the new owner in in compliance with the law.

If your breeder has not mentioned the SKN, perhaps you should look for your pup elsewhere.


ETA:

Another thing to add: Under the TSchV (Art 70), puppies may not be separated from their mothers (or the Amme, had that been necessary) before the 56th day. One may reserve a puppy well before that, and many good breeders will encourage you to visit during that time so that the pup gets to know you. But you may not take a puppy home earlier. Should a breeder suggest that you take a puppy younger than that, not only should you walk away, but you should also let the breed club know.

If you read the beginning of my post, I've said that there are lots of information for people who want to adopt, but not enough on breeders.

The objective of this thread is to provide a source of info for people who want to go down the breeder route, and not for anyone to bring their adoption propoganda into this - which I have absolutely nothing against, and even encourage.

Very useful information, Thanks!


One questions....what is an acceptable age to take over the pet?

The acceptable time for a puppy to leave its mum is 8 weeks onwards.

Should be made a sticky. There should also be another one, especially for people who have not had pets yet and imagine that they are some cuddly toys that can be thrown away once you get bored. Before taking a pet, they should consider that

They are not cute and well-behaved all the time. Or most of the time.
They scratch, pee, bark and meow, whine and howl, run away, bite, jump, get hit by cars, fight, chew, drool, cause allregies, eat your best shoes and the new sofa etc etc
They need attention - walking, feeding, training, grooming etc etc. all the time. even when it is not convenient for you.
They are expensive. Food, supplies, training, vet visits..
You cannot move to wherever you want to any more, but have to consider your 4-legged family members, who are not welcome or woudl feel comfortable everywhere.
You cannot just go on holiday, but need to find a kennel/petsitter and even then you are constantly worried and call your sitter twice a day to check if the pets are allright (or is it just me?). You cannot even go out for drinks after work on a moments notice, but have to go home first to walk the dog.
Can you do this for the next 15 or so years?

ALL good points!! And no... It's not just you

Oh !!!! yes... I remember everything! When he was 6 weeks old was coming to the bedroom 5 o'clock in the morning and waking me up, 4 month old he rip £3600 Italian leather sofa, 6months - all my trainers stolen ,my wife bough designers jacket on sale, he destroyed it. He done so much damage, ....the garden look like hose racing track,tripe stinks, ......but ones when I was fixing my car in the garage ,my kid fall down in the deep pond and he saved her life, 9 months ago(he was 3 years old) I was waiting my wife from work (she is nurse) and suddenly the dog get mad ,When I open front door he ran away , I ran after him .....80 meters away from our house ,in London ,in St John's wood my wife was attacked ,......we got him.....after this we moved to small town in France, all family....he fill good here.. Oh yes you wiil fill always guilty for living him alone, you will get a flu walking him in a rain, you will look at his poo ,you will pay the vet bill ,all your life will be ed... but ....,get yourself a dog and he will be your best friend, and he will listen to you, does not matter what you say, and he will be happy to die for you, and when he dies you will remember him,and know he will wait for you on a rainbow bridge.

Adding to this thread, as lately there have been several posts asking for breeder recommendations in neighboring countries.

The Federation Cynologique Internationale (FCI) is the umbrella organization of the kennel clubs worldwide. To find the kennel club in a given country, see here:
http://www.fci.be/membres.aspx


Once one has found the appropriate kennel club (SKG or the VDH for instance) contact that organization for a list of breed clubs - this is where you will usually find a listing of breeders.

Thanks for pulling this back up. I was trying to remember where it went!

Personally I think money should not play a part in the selection of a breeder (within reason). Compared to the cost of food and vet bills etc the extra cost of buying from a reputable breeder is a drop in the ocean.