HI,

I have a lovely female pure bred short hair chihuahua. She weighs 2kg max and I would like to find the perfect "donor" to breed her.

Only short hair male accepted, and has to be particularly small.

We live in the Canton de Vaud, between Gland and Nyon

Please contact me if interested per PM

Lois

Why do you wish to breed her?

Well in reference to your earlier post, what other reason can there be breed from her other than to mass produce a few more little "chi's"

Simple, to make money from the pups she may eventually produce!

So if you know the answer, why ask the question ? "Why do you wish to breed her? "

I rest my case!

I'm guessing because of the

in the corner.

What case ?

You ask question, then you propose an answer ?

I would actually like to hear from the OP regarding the reason she wishes to breed her chi......

Perhaps we can turn this into more of a discussion rather than responses to an ad -- since as someone already pointed out, there arent supposed to be any ads in this thread . . .

With so many homeless dogs out there . . . with such an over-production of dogs throughout this country alone, nevermind other countries right around the corner from us . . .

If perhaps you (the OP) have a better reason for wanting to breed more chi`s rather than simply as a money-making opportunity, I would genuinely like to know what you have to say . . . . .

Perhaps she wants to breed her small female with a small male dog to ensure that she gets a small dog from which she can breed again to make an even smaller one.

Isn't that what people do with dogs? Play around to create one to their liking and pretend it's got something to do with pedigrees?

Isn't that why we have dogs with extra short legs and ones with difficulty breathing as they have been bred to not have a dog-like snout but still have the skin of a dog with a snout and consequently difficulty breathing.

It's like playing at evolution for a hobby but with live subjects

(was it wrong to post this?)

Haha not wrong to post this at all.... In fact, while it is rather unfortunate, you are actually quite accurate with a number of your jokes . . .

Sarcasm or not though, I really am quite serious about wanting to hear from the OP again......

Why in the world are you interested in breeding your chihuahua??

there is only one answer to this; to makle little Chihuahua's in some form or another.

Whether they are being bred to sell, to give away or to eat is another question completely or maybe it's just some Paris Hilton complex

Is it illegal to breed dogs to make money?

No it's not illegal - if, however, one is a back-yard breeder, whose dog is not Angekört by the relevant breed club, who has not done the necessary health screening of both parents, has not done the necessary genetic research, has not done the necessary temperament testing of both parents... then it is indeed highly unethical.

Any serious, ethical breeder would already know how to find a properly accredited stud dog within the FCI/ breed club regulating Chihuahuas. That the OP has come on here asking this questions shows a worrying naivte. That she is going for the 'teacup' trend is particularly worrying.

Too many naive people attempt breeding without the necessary knowledge or experience, without doing the necessary health, genetic, and temperament testing. Some unsuspecting buyers purchase dogs from them, thinking they are getting a pedigreed pup - only to find later that this is not the case. Because of lack of pre-breeding testing, some pups from back yard breeders are not in good health. And all too often, many of those BYB pups end up in shelters when the breeder realizes that he/she cannot sell these non-pedigreed pups for much (or at all), or when the buyers realize that the cute little puppy will cost them a fortune to nurse back to health.

(FYI, Chis are now one of the breeds most frequently abandoned in shelters. They became so popular thanks to the antics of a certain silly heiress that Chihuahuas were over-produced (i.e., battery farmed). And with many trend-driven purchase, once the 'next big thing' emerged, too many of these poor dogs were not longer wanted and have been abandoned. )

To the OP:

Please have a read through these threads on similar topics:

http://www.englishforum.ch/pet-corne...g-puppies.html

Dog Breeding in Switzerland


Loisvt, are you a member of the Zwerghunde club in Switzerland? You should know that breeding is strictly regulated, your dog has to go through Ankörung - the process of judging whether your dog is fit to breed or not. If your dog in not Angekört, and you chose to breed outside the club, then the puppies produced are not pedigreed, regardless of the lineage of the parents. Just sayin'...

Here is the breed club website:

http://www.zwerghundeclub.ch/

If you are serious about becoming a breeder then join the club, get to know experienced breeders, learn from them. And if your dog is judged fit to breed, do so within the club's regulations - for the sake of the dog you love. Breeding should only be attempted by knowledgeable people, for the improvement of the breed.

If you are breeding as a BYB, then I beg you to reconsider. But if you choose the right path and breed within the FCI/Zwerghund Club regulations, then I wish you all the best in your endeavors.


ETA:

Also, breeding is regulated under the TSchV, the animal protection law. The OP needs to have a read through this:

http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/455_1/index.html

This covers standards for keeping the dam and pups, microchipping, health issues, socialization of the pups, etc. Lots of rules to understand - and follow. And to get back to your question, Carlos - breeding without complying with the TschV is indeed illegal.

Thanks for the info Meloncolie.

Really? By who's standard?

If you are suggesting that breeding animals could bring about racial-traits that are unhealthy, then I would suggest that anyone breeding animals for pleasure or self-gratification is verging on unethical anyway - irrespective of whether they've got a piece of paper that might say they are experienced or not - and that all dogs should be bread as mongrels.

The point, to my mind anyway, is that mixing similar genes is going to result in potential problems irrespective of any health checks. Short of full genetic coding of an animal, you are only ever going to pick up phenotypic issues and not genotypic that could occur when an animal is bred.

There are plenty of people who believe that any "targeted" dog breeding is unethical in its own right.

I don't particularly want to go off topic or start "flaming" anyone, but I think there have been a couple of posts here that hint at a "pot and kettle/high horse" situation. I could be wrong of course.

I used to breed and show chihuahuas. That's a bit of an exaggeration: I have one multi-champion show dog who has had two litters. However, I do have a registered kennel in Switzerland and worked with a friend who has breed Chihuahuas for 15 years. I agree with Meloncollie on (almost) every point.

The fact that your Chi is under 2 kg and you are looking on the internet for a stud is quite worrying. Chihuahuas have serious problems reproducing and often need cesarians, especially at that size. Would you know if your dog was in distress and needed emergency care and would you know how to get it?

If you are serious about breeding, I can get you in touch with the right people in Vaud.

if making babies were as difficult as making puppies then we'd all have birthrates like sweden

The standards of people who care about what happens should the puppies not turn out great. Who pays the price then? I know that some people on this forum get the kick out of winding up dog owners in the Pets Corner - or the dog squad as we've been "affectionately" called. Rolling their eyes when we get on our high horses blah blah blah. I dont mind. The reason why some of us get really "preachy" is simply because some people either dont provide enough information or most just dont think it through about their decision in getting or breeding a pet.

Breeding is not just as simple as finding a stud dog, and getting your bitch pregnant so that you can sell the puppies. The decision to breed is a very serious one - especially with toy breeds because the whelp is so much more difficult and potentially dangerous than larger breeds. I dont know much about chis, but a good friend of mine back home is a serious breeder and I learnt that responsible breeders need to make sure that the lines in question are free of patellar luxation, bite distortion, heart and other hereditary diseases or defects that chis are common for. Bitches actually need to be a certain ideal size for breeding, cant be too small or there will be serious complications - not carrying puppies to term etc. Besides physical outlook, its crucial to breed both dogs who come from a line of excellent disposition. The current bitch, if you dont know her lineage, might have great disposition but it might be a fluke and not be passed onto her puppies. That is why knowledge of genetics and the lines of BOTH dogs in a mating pair is crucial.

Sorry for the hijack OP, but it will prevent lots of people questioning your decision / and a higher chance of finding a suitable stud, if you provided more information about your bitch. For example:

- her size: besides weight
- Health quality: has the vet given the go-ahead to breed her? Has she got checks about her pelvic breadth and a good tuck up so that she can carry and deliver the puppies safely?
- Her age: too young or too old will cause more damage to her health
- Your breeding plan

I am not going to tell you that you shouldnt breed but it really is more than just putting two dogs together and letting her get pregnant. You have to agree that just asking for a stud dog (especially a small one!) on the internet does raise a couple of alarm bells. For the sake of your dog, think of what needs to be done as I am sure you are aware that its a serious thing to do.

Good luck.

When I speak of ethics, first in my mind is the overpopulation problem. Every year far too many dogs die simply because there are not enough homes available for all the puppies born. Most of these are bred by BYBs and battery farms.

But I probably agree with you on the issue of target breeding in general. That's a whole 'nuther philosophical can o' worms, though...

However, we have to deal with the reality of dog breeding today - and here at least the Swiss FCI clubs seem to be doing good (for the most part) in their efforts to regulate the breeding of their dogs. Recently there is strong emphasis on health and temperament as well as conformation, and strict adherence demanded of their breeders.

I have breeds whose health over the years has been severely compromised due to the breeding practices of previous generations - and then aggravated by a lack of understanding of genetics. That today's breed clubs are working to change that, to bring the breeds back to health is to be applauded. Yes, yesterday's breeding world F---'ed up my beloved collies. But today's breeders hold the solution.

I am not involved in the breeding or FCI world at all - rather the opposite end of the spectrum. But dealing with the fallout, I wish to see the problem addressed at it's source.

And that means - one should only breed responsibly, with knowledge of health, temperament, genetics; one should be motivated to work for the good of the breed. An ethical breeder should have potential homes lined up well in advance of breeding and be ready to stand by the pups produced during their lifetimes, should the owners ever be unable to continue caring for the dog.

Because I don't want to see any more dogs end up in rescue - or killed, simply because there are no homes to go to.

Not another, I want to breed my dog thread.

Toy breeds are typically fraught to breed, and many do not birth naturally, causing a great deal of stress all round. I'm especially concerned that the OP seems more concerned with the length of the studs coat than if it's properly scored (or her bitch for that matter). No responsible person would breed without ensuring they have homes for, or will keep any pup's, and that's before conversations about health, facilities etc are even entered into. A litter of pups is noisy, messy, stressful, expensive and bloody hard work, and should never be entered into lightly... regardless of how long the coat is.