Sid and Mel are you coming? Well if Mel doesn't show we'll know where to invade and find her:-)

and whats up with your knee Eire? Don't tell Ryan he'll never get into running if he thinks it's bad for his knees.

I had a bit of ITBS, managed to clear that up and now have pre patellar pain when I go over a few km. I want to try and skive off work in the morning and come run with you guys. Hopefully I'll manage it. I have a lot of stuff to get finished tomorrow.

of course these things always come down to weak glutes in the end!

I promise we'll be gentle with you.

I think in my case its due to weak VM and tight IT band. I changed my shoes which are playing a part in it too. But, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and with time I'm confident I'll sort it out. If I make it tomorrow don't kill me though!

no weak butt then? from all that sat in a saddle stuff you've been doing all summer?

If you cycle correctly it's great for the glutes/ass. that's why pro men cyclist have such great bums...

I am also really hurting at the moment. I have to get my legs checked out. I'm gonna come but I may not last for long, and may just Say Merry Christmas if I still feel this bad tomorrow... I've been limping around the house all day :-((( I really want to run with you guys!! And even more so to be able to do a sport without my body breaking down!

oh no, and i feel bad for teasing eire.

I guess the cycling insoles didn't do the trick.

and lets fix a date for some xcountry skiing in the N.Year to cheer ourselves up (assumming I can fit my ski's in the miniscule replacement car I'm due to get after some **** drove into the side of me this morning).

Sounds great for me... Someone in my condition!

The problem is due to cycling, but not from lack of glutes workout. When cycling you never get your knee into full extension, and since the VM only really comes into action in about the last 15deg of extension it can start to atrophy quite quickly. Especially if a lot of riding is MTB with the saddle a little lower then on a road bike. This is compounded by the fact that I have recently changed my shoes to ones that make me run "biomechanicaly" more correctly, but my body is not adapted to it. Its going to take time to get sorted properly, and I need to do some more strengthening work for VM but it will sort itself out. Its just annpoying at the moment when I am out running and the knee starts to ache a little.

EDIT: Sorry to hear about the car!

thanks Mel for the middle bit from today. I for one certainly need to do more of it and tend not too on my own.

Have been walking around all satisfied and smug all afternoon as a result.

see you all in the n.year unless anyone fancies an out of town run around before we resume wed. eve runs in jan.

Thanks... for the pain she put us through!!!


No it was a good run, sorry about the complaining... and not being able to keep up.

I'm really disappointed I missed out. I think I should stop creating events, I've never showed up to my own event! I hope I can figure out what's up soon or I'm gonna go stir crazy.

Have a great Christmas you guys, and New Years too!!

I'll still be in the US for the first Wednesday of Jan but back for the second and hopefully ready for action by then!!