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Old 08.10.2014, 17:45
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Re: Cycling blow out - possible causes?

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I buy almost everything bike-related from Wiggle. Worth noting that whilst their system works well, deducting the UK VAT and with free shipping, you should expect a bill from DHL a week or two after your order arrives which will include the Swiss VAT and also DHL's handling fee. Still worth it, especially for orders above perhaps 100 quid, but not quite as good a deal as you may have initially thought :-)
You're probably right, but I think still better than the £25 delivery fee and 37.- customs fee from the Amazon order (from Fawkes Cycles).
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Old 08.10.2014, 17:50
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You're probably right, but I think still better than the £25 delivery fee and 37.- customs fee from the Amazon order (from Fawkes Cycles).
Holy S**t

I like buying stuff from Amazon because for Amazon's own orders they include the duty and customs costs up-front so you know exactly what you are paying. It's obviously not the same for Amazon Marketplace...
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Old 08.10.2014, 17:54
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Holy S**t

I like buying stuff from Amazon because for Amazon's own orders they include the duty and customs costs up-front so you know exactly what you are paying. It's obviously not the same for Amazon Marketplace...
Exactly . It's my own fault for not shopping around, I tend to be a bit impetuous like that. However, like I said, Fawkes have offered to make a full refund, so I can't fault their honesty.
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Re: Cycling blow out - possible causes?

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I buy all my bike stuff from here:
http://www.roseversand.de

It may not be worth it for small orders unless they're having one of their free delivery sales.

When delivering to Switzerland they remove the 19% mwst, add the 8% Swiss tax and charge 1% for doing so. It then comes through Swiss customs duty paid, so not stopped and never any further charges to pay.
I was under the impression that the parcel must cost less than 62CHF (the items combined with the shipping) to not incur any extra charges.
By having paid the Swiss 8% VAT, as noted on the parcel, they avoid customs duty?
What's the most expensive parcel that you've ordered from them that didn't incur any extra charges other than those paid when you order on their website?
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Old 20.01.2015, 21:39
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Re: Cycling blow out - possible causes?

Two things are being conflated here.

The customs duty is usually zero; it's the VAT/tax that you have to pay on imports. Anything over around 62 CHF (including postage) will get stopped and have 8% tax added, plus a flat fee and usually a variable fee too, added on by whatever courier is used for the delivery. The customs office can also add a fee.

In this particular case, they put a full declaration on the parcel so that customs (and any courier) can see that the Swiss tax of 8% has already been paid. Therefore it is not stopped, and there are no charges for customs inspection or whatever. You can order as much as you like, as it comes delivered as if it was from within Switzerland (as the 8% tax is paid). Roseversand charge 1% to do this paperwork (but for that 1% not only do they add the 8% Swiss tax they also first dedict the 19% German tax, so 1% is a bargain). You could order as much as you like; it's the same principle.

I don't know which courier they use to deliver; I've never paid any attention.
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Re: Cycling blow out - possible causes?

Thank you for your detailed answer, now I have a far better understanding of the fees. So long as the VAT has been prepaid and it has been noted on the declaration of the parcel the recipient shouldn't worry about extra charges.
This should theoretically mean that one could order from http://www.bike-discount.de as well, since they also deduct the German VAT, and then charge 8% Swiss VAT.
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Old 20.01.2015, 22:25
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Re: Cycling blow out - possible causes?

I didn't realise they also added on the Swiss tax, I thought they just removed the German tax. If they do add on the Swiss tax then yep, it'll work the same way!
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Re: Cycling blow out - possible causes?

A slight follow up, I sent bike-discount an email to clarify a few things. Over here (http://www.bike-discount.de/en/info/delivery-15) they state that "For deliveries to Switzerland and NON-EU countries, we do not charge the valid VAT.
Here, you can print an export certification, if you wish to export the goods yourself"


But when you add something to your cart and Switzerland is selected, they do indeed deduct the German 19% VAT and add the Swiss 8% VAT. So in theory everything should be fine and that page just isn't updated.


What bothers me though is that when you're looking at your shopping cart and you've selected Germany or any other country in the EU the total has a section that states how much VAT has been paid for the items.
If you select Switzerland, the correct VAT has been applied, but there is no mention of it in the total sum.
I presume that if they just add it on to the items price and don't specifically state that the Swiss 8% VAT has been paid on the declaration of the parcel, to the customs agent it would be the same as not having paid the VAT at all.
I've sent them an email in English to clarify, hopefully they understood my question.
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Re: Cycling blow out - possible causes?

Here's the relevant part of the reply I've received from bike-discount: " The displayed gross price is just for your information. Once you place your order, the VAT is not charged, and you will only pay the net price plus shipping costs, if applicable. Unfortunately, we canít provide any information in regards to custom fees that might be due upon delivery. Please contact the Swiss authorities for such information."

I don't know why they think it's good practice to display the prices without 19% German VAT and with 8% Swiss VAT only to have that deducted later on from the final price.

Special thanks to Adrian for clearing up my confusion about VAT/customs duty.
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Re: Cycling blow out - possible causes?

I'm bringing back as new TACX trainer from the UK after finding one for £700 instead of the usual £1200. I'm collecting the VAT refund form from the cycle shop, anyone suggest the best way to claim this back from Swiss customs and when? I don't really want to do it at the border as I'll have a lot of other stuff from my UK trip in the car.


Speaking of tyres, I also managed last time around to pick up 2x Continentel Gatorskin winter tyres and five inner tubes......£60. Anyone found tyres cheaper near Zurich? Maybe over the border?
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