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Experienced Skier Wanting to Improve (Lessons)

Hello everyone,

I have seen many postings regarding ski lessons for beginners, but haven't found much related to ski lessons for people with experience.

I have been skiing regularly for over 10 years now and I can handle myself on and off the piste, but I want to improve. I took a two day avalanche and backcountry safety course this past weekend and my instructor encouraged me to do a few lessons to improve my form for skiing in powder. My current form is "working", but could definitely be better.

Can any of you recommend an instructor or school who can offer lessons at this level?

Thank you in advance!
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Hello everyone,

I have seen many postings regarding ski lessons for beginners, but haven't found much related to ski lessons for people with experience.

I have been skiing regularly for over 10 years now and I can handle myself on and off the piste, but I want to improve. I took a two day avalanche and backcountry safety course this past weekend and my instructor encouraged me to do a few lessons to improve my form for skiing in powder. My current form is "working", but could definitely be better.

Can any of you recommend an instructor or school who can offer lessons at this level?

Thank you in advance!
Most schools do, just google the main ones at the resort of your choice (I think the location is the most important aspect to decide first) and then give them a call.
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I have been skiing regularly for over 10 years now and I can handle myself on and off the piste, but I want to improve. I took a two day avalanche and backcountry safety course this past weekend and my instructor encouraged me to do a few lessons to improve my form for skiing in powder. My current form is "working", but could definitely be better.

Can any of you recommend an instructor or school who can offer lessons at this level?
YES! Whether it my wife or myself, or one of our other native English speaking instructors, we are more than happy to teach more advanced skiers. We find that the improvements possible within just a short time of teaching are generally very significant, so perhaps just a two hour lesson or two, then going off to work on your new-found technique, is often the best way forward.

Usually it's not a case of teaching new skills, just redistributing and helping to understand and use the skills and movements you already have. And for powder, the best learning is done on-piste, working on the movements that will "just work" when you hit the deep stuff.

PM me if you want to talk more.

Oh, lastly, in case you don't look at sigs, we're at Prime Ski School, Engelberg http://www.prime-engelberg.ch/
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If you specifically want an off-piste lesson, make sure you specify this when you book. Rules vary from Canton to Canton, but not all instructors are allowed to take clients off-piste. In Wallis, only instructors with the Swiss Snowsports Patent/BBT are allowed to teach off-piste, so make sure you book an instructor, licensed to take you where you want to go.

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Re: Experienced Skier Wanting to Improve (Lessons)

Thanks for your replies!

Has anyone had experience with a certain school or instructor for this?
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Which resort do you want to go to?
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If you specifically want an off-piste lesson, make sure you specify this when you book. Rules vary from Canton to Canton, but not all instructors are allowed to take clients off-piste. Here in Wallis, only instructors with the Swiss Snowsports Patent/BBT are allowed to teach off-piste, so make sure you book an instructor, licensed to take you where you want to go.
Not strictly true. The "new" federal law introduced last year applies to on-snow activities, whether skiing, walking, snowshoeing. For skiing the restriction applies to any off-piste areas that would be defined as more than "Easy" on the SAC scale.

What that means is, and I paraphrase, is that slopes with gradients below 30deg, with regular terrain, no glacier or narrow pitches all fall outside of this new rule.

So in practice we can teach on quite a lot of the off-piste that we have in Engelberg.

Here's the law in German
http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/as/2013/447.pdf
www.admin.ch/ch/f/as/2013/447.pdf
(With a slight change for climbing and ski-touring here
https://www.news.admin.ch/message/in...r&msg-id=54051)

An English copy here
http://www.baspo.admin.ch/internet/b...ungenglish.pdf

And the SAC scales (referenced from) here

http://www.sac-cas.ch/fr/en-route/ec...fficultes.html
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Re: Experienced Skier Wanting to Improve (Lessons)

You could try Alex Taugwalder at Hoch-Ybrig, he is a member of the Swiss Demo team (in other he teaches the teachers!), I've skied with him a few times his English is excellent and have found him to be a great teacher.
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Which resort do you want to go to?
I have a season pass for Graubünden, so I would prefer to do the lessons in that area.
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Re: Experienced Skier Wanting to Improve (Lessons)

Hi,

Just seen your message and I know the best coaches in Verbier. Have a look at http://www.warrensmith-skiacademy.com They have amazing teachers and all my friends that have used them always go back.

Best of luck and lets hope we get some snow soon...

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Hello everyone,

I have seen many postings regarding ski lessons for beginners, but haven't found much related to ski lessons for people with experience.

I have been skiing regularly for over 10 years now and I can handle myself on and off the piste, but I want to improve. I took a two day avalanche and backcountry safety course this past weekend and my instructor encouraged me to do a few lessons to improve my form for skiing in powder. My current form is "working", but could definitely be better.

Can any of you recommend an instructor or school who can offer lessons at this level?

Thank you in advance!
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Re: Experienced Skier Wanting to Improve (Lessons)

I can recommend a mountain guide that is also very good at teaching technique. Book him for a day and you can work on your skills as well as learn some new terrain. He's based in Hergiswil but is willing to travel to wherever the snow is best.

Contact Roger Christen at Rock & Powder.
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Re: Experienced Skier Wanting to Improve (Lessons)

HI,

I'd like to introduce you to Epic Ski in Lenzerheide. All instructors are experienced and fluent in English. My advice is that no matter where you go ask for an older instructor. This way you know your getting someone that has seen it all and has a big bag of tricks to improve your skiing.

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Hello everyone,

I have seen many postings regarding ski lessons for beginners, but haven't found much related to ski lessons for people with experience.

I have been skiing regularly for over 10 years now and I can handle myself on and off the piste, but I want to improve. I took a two day avalanche and backcountry safety course this past weekend and my instructor encouraged me to do a few lessons to improve my form for skiing in powder. My current form is "working", but could definitely be better.

Can any of you recommend an instructor or school who can offer lessons at this level?

Thank you in advance!
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HI,

I'd like to introduce you to Epic Ski in Lenzerheide. All instructors are experienced and fluent in English. My advice is that no matter where you go ask for an older instructor. This way you know your getting someone that has seen it all and has a big bag of tricks to improve your skiing.

Have a great winter
Not strictly true about older instructors, I know some in their mid-forties and this is their first year teaching, and there is a big difference in being able to ski and being able to teach skiing, just because you ski all the mountain doesn't mean you can teach. You need to understand what's happening so that you can explain it/demonstrate key elements to students, and you need to be able to get the same message across in several different ways because everybody is different, what works for one won't necessarily work for the other.
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Not strictly true about older instructors, I know some in their mid-forties and this is their first year teaching, and there is a big difference in being able to ski and being able to teach skiing, just because you ski all the mountain doesn't mean you can teach. You need to understand what's happening so that you can explain it/demonstrate key elements to students, and you need to be able to get the same message across in several different ways because everybody is different, what works for one won't necessarily work for the other.
True, very true. A new instructor in their forties has maturity and experience in other aspects of life that can be valuable to teaching skiing. Gernerally speaking an older experienced instructor has more to offer then a younger one with only a few years under their belt. When Epic was formed the first instructor i approched was a guy in his early 60's that didnt start teaching until he was around 40. He is and will continue to be one of my most valuable instructors.

When you book private lessons in most ski schools you can choose your instructor or at least what for an instructor you get. My advice is allways to ask for an older experienced one.

I dont know where i heard it but the saying goes. "You can all ways teach an instructor to ski but you cant all ways teach a skier to instruct"
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I dont know where i heard it but the saying goes. "You can all ways teach an instructor to ski but you cant all ways teach a skier to instruct"
couldn't have said it better myself
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Another possibility is to go on a 1 week residential with an excellent pro. I'd recommend Fred Foxon, BASI top coach coach- and a sport psychologist. Excellent at analysing the top potential of each skier, any blocages and how to develop and release- one to one tuition but as part of small group, video and analysis- great. His courses are usually held at St Foy Tarentaise, Val d'Isère, Tignes and Courchevel.

www.fredfoxon.co.uk

Abpout 60, he has 35+ years of teaching at top level.
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I can recommend a mountain guide that is also very good at teaching technique. Book him for a day and you can work on your skills as well as learn some new terrain. He's based in Hergiswil but is willing to travel to wherever the snow is best.

Contact Roger Christen at Rock & Powder.
Didn't spot this post before, but I would certainly recommend Roger as a guide who can help with off piste technique while giving a good day of serious skiing. But money would be better spent, if you want to learn the basic skills that will enable you to progress to a higher level, on proper freeride lessons with a good instructor. You might not get the adventure, but it may give you the skills to appreciate it better next time.
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