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Old 27.08.2015, 13:21
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Re: Losing weight after pregnancy

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Exactly!

I completely agree that... there is a lot of unhealthy convenience food in the shops these days, that most people like the taste of "bad" foods, that a lot of people enjoy sitting at home and watch TV/Play video games.

HOWEVER

Most people know these things are bad of them and they know that preparing fresh foods and doing exercise is good for them.

It is a choice between the two, which is down to the indivdual. It's not beyond your control due to your genes... it is YOUR CHOICE!!
Although to be fair, children don't often have much say in what they get to eat.
And what they get given to eat as children is quite often what they will eat as adults.
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Old 27.08.2015, 14:22
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Eating healthily as a "trendy lifestyle choice" is relatively new but people have been eating healthily for centuries.
Yein. Eating healthily as a "label" or positive action is a modern phenomenon, but we haven't been eating healthily for centuries as a proactive or conscious measure. It is a function of the fact that on average people used a lot more calories than they do now and had access to less processed food (which, need I remind you, is designed to be as tasty as possible to a human being precisely by being the calorie bomb that it is). So I don't agree that it is labelled as a "trendy lifestyle choice".

100, 200, 300 years ago, people weren't thinking "shall I eat too many calories today?". They ate what they could and usually that wasn't enough - hence generation on generation we are getting taller, fitter and stronger (lol - except for those eating too much!). As a recent example, look at the big difference in nutritional status of Europeans who went through the WWs vs. the baby boomers vs. children today. Those who went through the wars and immediately post, are generally poorer in nutritional status due to the stress and lack of food.

You all seem to completely dismiss the notion that you will put on more calories because you body is programmed to. And that there will be individual variations based on gene expression and epigenetic difference. Some people will put on and lose weight more easily than others. Sorry, but that is all been shown in studies.

While I agree you can't blame obesity entirely on a fat gene, you cannot dismiss out of hand either by simply saying "eat less".

What I do agree to (although I'm not sure anyone has said this), is that it would be simply better and easier never to put that excess weight on in the first place!

I also agree that in some cases, there is an element of free will/poor choice selection which cannot be dismissed and brings us to:

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I'm sure that in isolation, that won't work. It's probably true to say that at least 50% of the users of this forum are overweight to some degree or other.

But, are you saying that they all not informed about food to enable to feed their themselves and their families a healthy diet and make that more of a priority than other aspects of their life (wasting time on social media, for example)?
In many cases, yes, they are not well enough informed or educated or always think "I can change later". It is a bit like common sense: it really isn't that common and in the general population you should not over-estimate people's understanding of what you think is just common sense or general knowledge. (The latter of which now seems to be limited to gossip and twit-fests anyway ).

You also have to factor in a strong risk perception bias.

Simply put: if eating a Mars bar would put you in immediate cardiac arrest and on the operating table that evening, people would not eat that Mars bar.

The risk of obesity, diabetes, CVD for many is so remote and far away in the future to them that they cannot associate the action of eating a poor diet with the risk. Hence the need to continuous education...

The problem is that the benefit and risks from eating well are perceived as too remote to challenge the immediate joy of that extra tasty (because we like the calories and it uses ingredients) Big Mac. Added to which, the changes are usually by degrees, so when you eat your fast food, you don't balloon out immediately so you don't get the immediate negative push back from your "bad" action.

Scoff all you want - pardon the pun - and continue to simplify the discussion to "you eat too much" if you want. No skin off my nose.

And I haven't even touched on the psychological difference and changes of people who either are or are prone towards being overweight or obese. (Nor will I, as I don't think you are going to change your mind and I've probably said enough anyway.)

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Exactly!

I completely agree that...
Nice bit of confirmation bias there. It supports your position, so it must be right.
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Old 27.08.2015, 14:34
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Re: Losing weight after pregnancy

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In many cases, yes, they are not well enough informed or educated or always think "I can change later". It is a bit like common sense: it really isn't that common and in the general population you should not over-estimate people's understanding of what you think is just common sense or general knowledge.
That's certainly true of smokers - the deadly diseased caused by it seem a long way off and the other effects are gradual such as the persistent coughs, the wheezing when ascending stairs and the general breathlessness but surely people notice being overweight long before they end up in hospital:

Clothes not fitting any more.
Knees buckling under the strain.
Being unable to run for a bus.
Being unable to tie ones shoe laces without sitting down.

There's probably more which I can only guess at.
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Old 27.08.2015, 19:49
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Re: Losing weight after pregnancy

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That's certainly true of smokers - the deadly diseased caused by it seem a long way off and the other effects are gradual such as the persistent coughs, the wheezing when ascending stairs and the general breathlessness but surely people notice being overweight long before they end up in hospital:

Clothes not fitting any more.
Knees buckling under the strain.
Being unable to run for a bus.
Being unable to tie ones shoe laces without sitting down.

There's probably more which I can only guess at.
No you don't notice, at least I didn't, some years back I changed from a high-stress-lotsa-round-the-world-travel-miles-and-more-gold-card, to pushing a desk
Add to that a heavy sleep apnea condition that bloomed at the same time as the desk job. And I mean the works, falling asleep at the wheel, hallucinations, acid reflux at night, aka. drowning in your own sick, your body fighting for air and for life each and every night. The worst were the dreams where my mouth was plugged with thick, rancid snot and I would try to dredge it out with my fingers so that I could breath. But this is the weird thing… It was ok, that's just the way things were. Normal body weight around 120- 130 Kilos. (I am a big man…!)
Then the weight shot up kilo by kilo, until the scales showed ERR. or OL. I would simply go to the grain miller to weigh myself, but that was ok, that was just the way things are. I could no longer drive a car for more than a mile or two before falling asleep. But that was ok, just the way things are. For the life of me I could not once have said that there was something wrong, it was just the way things are.
And I maxed out at 240 Kilos, as you say, more than five steps, uhoh! Shoelaces, wear slip-ons, clothes, go to C&A.
My trigger came when my son was visiting, we went into the mountains and coming down I fell asleep at the wheel. Go figure!
The next day I went to the doctors, got a CPAP, after only two days of air at night the fog was gone and I took it from there, now after almost six years I'm down to 150 Kilos, swim long distances (up to five-six kilometers) Benchpress 140 Kilos, power lift 70 kilos off the floor in one snatch and non of the pussy rest where you put the bar on your chest, have 140 kilos on the butterfly press. Hike across the island, eat only what I cook myself, yada yada yada.
Thing is with going to the gym, you shrink fat cells but boost muscle cells and them buggers weigh twice as much, so you actually gain weight by losing it, crazy hey?
Went to Adipositas in Rohrschach, did the talks and now we get to what I want to say, the couple of tons of humanity in one sitting all told similar stories, non of them had noticed it until it was too late.
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Re: Losing weight after pregnancy

It's just as important what one does during pregnancy as after:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/wom...-pregnant.html
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Re: Losing weight after pregnancy

What really helps me to lose weight/keep it down is to not have any sweets or sugar (or food containing fat and lots of carbohydrates combined) at home. If I want something like that (e.g. chocolate) I have to go out and buy it. Before I go out and buy it, I always drink a large glass of water (because sometimes "hunger" is indeed thirst) and then I eat something healthy (bit of cheese, a veg, a fruit etc.) If after that I still want the craved item, I take exactly the amount needed for one item with me and walk to the store without taking a drink with me.

At the store I mostly am thirsty and end up buying a bottle of water to quench said thirst, which leaves me with less money than I would need to buy the craved item. And mostly it turns out that only thirst was the problem, which I underestimated when setting out after drinking water at home.
If the craved item happens to be on sale and I can thus buy it and the bottle of water, I buy both and eat the craved item on the way home, which reinforces the "craved (carb and fat-laden) items are outside foods" idea.
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Re: Losing weight after pregnancy

I thought this thread is all about women sharing tips on losing weight post pregnancy.




I recently invested in a treadmill as going to the gym is a big task , needs lots of arrangement with kids.


I'm trying to hit the 20k steps in general for most days, if not all.


It's just been a week, just 800 grams less. I 'm trying to keep it positive.
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Hi,
I am looking for mummy who are like me My baby will be 1 year in June and i also have kilos of pregnancy
i am not a sportwoman so it is not easy for me to loose weight. i eat normally and 3 times a day. Life is not fair

If you leave in Witikon and are free to go walking and discussing every wednesday morning, let me know.

Any help?

Hi ,
Now that your new baby is here, you have a lot to think about: when to feed her, what to do if she cries -- and how to get rid of those extra pounds you packed on during your pregnancy.

If you started out at a normal weight and gained the 25-35 pounds your doctor probably recommended, it shouldn't take you more than a couple of months to get back to your pre-pregnancy weight if you watch what you eat and exercise.

If, on the other hand, you were overweight before your pregnancy or you put on more weight than your doctor advised, it could take much longer -- up to a year -- to get the weight off. Any baby weight you don't take off could stick with you for a long time.

First , Don't Diet !
Pay attention , going on an official "diet" could derail your post-pregnancy weight loss goals. Feeling deprived of your favorite foods while you're already stressed out by your new role as mom could actually cause you to gain weight, Johnson says.
"If you go back to eating healthy and eating for your hunger, most women find that the weight comes off pretty naturally," she says.
Instead of dieting, she recommends eating a well-balanced variety of foods. Keep different snacks in the house to keep you from feeling hungry and give you energy throughout the day. Apple slices, carrot sticks, and wheat crackers are all good for noshing.
No matter how much you want to lose weight, try not to dip below 1,800 calories a day, particularly if you are breastfeeding.

Second , Breastfeed
Whether breastfeeding can actually help you lose weight is still up in the air -- some studies find that breastfeeding exclusively can help you return to your pre-baby weight faster, while others find no difference in weight loss between women who breastfeed and those who bottle feed.

Third , Drink up .
Drinking plenty of water throughout the day prevents you from getting dehydrated. It also fills you up so that you don't eat as much, and some research has found that it may speed up your metabolism.

Fourth , Move it!
"Exercise, beyond helping you lose weight, provides so many benefits to a new mom," Johnson says. "It helps with depression, it helps with the sleep issue ... it helps in relieving stress -- and having a new baby in the house can definitely be stressful."

* Notice :
You don't have to hit the gym to get back in shape after pregnancy .

That's it , Hope you enjoyed reading this few tips . Any Question ? feel free to PM me !
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