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Help! - swimming pool leak

I've only just put it up on Tuesday .... and it ain't small - 5.5m x 2.75m x 1.3m (18" x 9" x 4.25"), holding between 18,000 and 20,000 litres of water, depending on if I overfill a bit.

I noticed this morning, a wet area at one end, and saw it doing a Mannekin Pis, from a puncture hole, close the bottom ...... and two holes, but only one had gone through. As they were right next to each other, my best guess is that the cat was stretching his claws on it.
This is the first time he's seen it and is particularly interested and walks around it and through the side frame supports.

Anyway, I slid down a plastic sheet in the water, on the inside and got my daughter to press it against the hole with a stick, to stem the flow, whilst I tried to fix the leak on the outside - but it's impossible to fit a patch as it's continually wet from leaking. The best I could do was squirt some superglue over the hole and manipulate it with my finger, before it dried and stuck my finger to the pool wall.

However, it has almost worked, but there is still a small dribble, so still can't dry it sufficiently well to affix a patch (already tried). Apart from my fingers, now being reptilian from all the dried superglue, this can only be temporary fix, and probably wont hold when people start going in (water's still too cold) and splashing around ..... and if a hole, then becomes a split, then whoosh .....

Obviously, if it was empty, it would be simple - dry the vinyl and patches on both sides, but I really, really don't want to empty it all out, having only just filled it.

The only thing I can think of is to apply some silicon over the hole (I've done something similar on an old pool, before, but around the drain cap which was leaking, so could build up a small area easily). Unfortunately, I think all my silicon is old and gone hard in the nozzle, and everywhere is closed today because of another bloody catholic holiday.

Any other ideas ..... ?
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another bloody catholic holiday.

Any other ideas ..... ?
Move to a protestant canton!
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Old 04.06.2015, 17:16
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Re: Help! - swimming pool leak

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But this may help:

https://www.hornbach.ch/shop/Unterwa...vl=artikel_img

They also do a pond one which I'd imagine is stronger but less elegant:

https://www.hornbach.ch/shop/Unterwa...vl=artikel_img

Will check, but don't think Hornbach made it this far west, but as I've since found out from YT and web itself, such products exist - just a case of finding an outlet ..... and waiting for the water to warm above 14°, so I can get in.
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Old 04.06.2015, 17:19
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Re: Help! - swimming pool leak

I've put my thinking cap on and here goes?

Build a collection tray into which the leak will drip, from the bottom of that try run a tube into a black plastic tank. Into this tank place a small pump, one from a fish tank should do. Connect a tube to the pump to pump the water back into the pool.

This will have the added bonus of the black tank acting as a water heater and rapidly increasing the temperature of your pool - by as much as 8c*






*actual results may vary.
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Old 04.06.2015, 17:22
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Re: Help! - swimming pool leak

YW, but sorry I didn't see the "shops closed" bit so not much use

Chewing gum or blu-tac on the inside may give you enough time to dry the outside and duct tape it. At least that would stop any ripping so it survives until you get a proper patch, but I don't know if you can get it off afterwards for aesthetic reasons - I have a fixed kids pool, much smaller, with white duct tape adhesive still on it long after the UV did for the tape itself, although the adhesive seems to block the hole!

I'm guessing lifting that end up to clear the water is most likely to lead to catastrophic flooding rather than a solution, even if not physically impossible weight wise?
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I've put my thinking cap on and here goes?

Build a collection tray into which the leak will drip, from the bottom of that try run a tube into a black plastic tank. Into this tank place a small pump, one from a fish tank should do. Connect a tube to the pump to pump the water back into the pool.

This will have the added bonus of the black tank acting as a water heater and rapidly increasing the temperature of your pool - by as much as 8c*






*actual results may vary.
Problem is that with superglue, I've shagged the nice clean squirting and it's now just dribbling down the side and curing round to the bottom.

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I'm guessing lifting that end up to clear the water is most likely to lead to catastrophic flooding rather than a solution, even if not physically impossible weight wise?
Lifting is probably not an option.

In photo of pool the hole is low and to the left of the grey plastic foot stool.

The other photo shows what's left of the hole after supergluing. The white splodge is the culprit, and the brown bits are residues of patches that didn't stick.

The good news is that the sun has moved round and is shining directly on the spot and it seems quite dry (but still a dribble) - the bad news is that I've run out of glue until tomorrow.
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Old 04.06.2015, 17:53
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Will check, but don't think Hornbach made it this far west, but as I've since found out from YT and web itself, such products exist - just a case of finding an outlet ..... and waiting for the water to warm above 14°, so I can get in.
They actually made further west than you but there isn't one very close to you.
Biel is probably the nearest.
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Re: Help! - swimming pool leak

Horrifying that a cats claws could do that to your pool. Surely they test these things. We looked at maybe buying something like that but you've put me off now. Would a bike tyre repair set work? I should think you need something very strong with the pressure of that amount of water. Is it a Bestway?

The Migros Sportxx has a repair kit.
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Re: Help! - swimming pool leak

Surely nothing applied to the outside will do any good? Need a patch on the inside.

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Old 04.06.2015, 18:54
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Horrifying that a cats claws could do that to your pool. Surely they test these things. We looked at maybe buying something like that but you've put me off now. Would a bike tyre repair set work? I should think you need something very strong with the pressure of that amount of water. Is it a Bestway?
I'm only guessing about it being the cat, but with two punctures close by (only one all the way through), close to the ground, and the fact that this the first time he's seen it and he's always clawing at door mats and wooden posts, he is the most likely suspect (three previous seasons, before him, without problems) ..... and don't be surprised - despite the vinyl walls being a few ply thick, cat's claws are like needles - he can draw blood through skin, easy enough.

It's actually an Intex, but I wouldn't let this incident put you off - it's well worth having one if you've got a flat bit of garden.
Superglue seems to have almost sealed it for now, and now I know I can get waterproof patches that can be fixed on the inside, I should be able to find one tomorrow (Bauhaus, hopefully). With patching on the inside the pressure will help with sealing. Tried patching with inflatable boat patches and bike tyre repair patches, but the glue wont work, when not completely dry.

Our pool came from Landi: http://www.landi.ch/laden/deu/sortim...pool-13267?c=4

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Surely nothing applied to the outside will do any good? Need a patch on the inside.

Yep - first vid. that I saw - will attempt to source a similar product, tomorrow. BTW mine was leaking just like that, but a bit more 'forcefully'.

Found one on Bauhaus.de site, so I'm assuming I can get it in Bauhaus.ch, but they don't list products online.

That should get me to the end on the season, then I can do a proper inside and outside patch repair.

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Read Hans Brinker for the solution
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_..._Silver_Skates
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Re: Help! - swimming pool leak

As I recall, JB-Weld (and probably others) make a two-part marine epoxy that will set under water for such situations.

It becomes a putty, that you can use inside the pool, without removing the water.

I will try to dig up the info, or you can.

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As I recall, JB-Weld (and probably others) make a two-part marine epoxy that will set under water for such situations.

It becomes a putty, that you can use inside the pool, without removing the water.

I will try to dig up the info, or you can.

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Thanks, but don't go to too much trouble - there's also a vid. on YT using this (but US) so would have to find an equivalent, here.

As it's not a big hole, and I know now that transparent patches can be put on the inside, underwater and are available here, I'll probably go this route first.

My biggest problem is now going to be finding the hole from the inside and trying to stay underwater long enough, without any weights.


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Re: Help! - swimming pool leak

Shouldn't swimming pool leak posts be in the First-World problems thread?
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Re: Help! - swimming pool leak

a short piece of tubing from the local hardware store, attached to the top of a snorkel, and with a piece of float at the other end will fix the air problem ... you could also rent a wetsuit from a dive store, or perhaps buy a 3-5 mm shorty ...

I'd suggest the marine grade epoxy route ... but depends on what the inside surface is composed of .... they will have stuff for that, marine grade ...

If the cat likes the exterior of the pool for his nails ... you may need to be prepared ....

All the best ....
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a short piece of tubing from the local hardware store, attached to the top of a snorkel, and with a piece of float at the other end will fix the air problem ... you could also rent a wetsuit from a dive store, or perhaps buy a 3-5 mm shorty ...

I'd suggest the marine grade epoxy route ... but depends on what the inside surface is composed of .... they will have stuff for that, marine grade ...

If the cat likes the exterior of the pool for his nails ... you may need to be prepared ....

All the best ....
Good idea - I have some plastic electrical cable pipes, snorkel, also have a wetsuit (if I still fit in) - although water should be warm enough, tomorrow - plus there may be some lightweight dumbbells around, to weigh me down.

I've already got a good idea where to find the clear under water patches, plus aesthetically it would look better, whereas I'd have to start a new search for the resin. If I do deem resin necessary; for neatness and convenience, I'd prefer to that when the pool is empty, if I can get away with a patch, to last the season.

...... and if the cat thinks, he's going to make a habit of this, I'll have his bollocks off ..... oops, already too late.

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Shouldn't swimming pool leak posts be in the First-World problems thread?
First world problem - you're joking, right?

This is almost as global as having to send down 4 skin divers to circumcise a whale; or a deep sea diver if PLUTO has a leak.

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You know we all want to come & watch you plugging the holes now don't you? I am sure someone will also volunteer to hold you down.
Have a nice swim!
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Re: Help! - swimming pool leak

I've only skimmed this but you guys are not seriously suggesting lengthening a snorkel in any way to enable you to go deeper? DON'T. You breathe in your own carbon dioxide that you just breathed out! That's why snorkels are so short. It makes you dizzy to begin with and if you are unlucky you can drown!

Anyone can correct me on this if there is newer knowledge, but I wouldn't try it without watching someone who says you can, doing it for five minutes in front of my eyes (with a doctor present in case they are wrong after all)

Standing vertically in the water, I used to need four kilos of lead to hold me down far enough for my eyes to be under water and the top of the snorkel clear of very small waves. We used to take underwater video film of our swimmers like this.
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It seems that the remarks about lengthening a snorkel were meant as a joke.
Having occasionally seen the results of a 'joke' which was taken seriously, I'm not too happy about that sort of thing...
I suppose on a forum where the readers are adults one might assume that 'everyone knows that' but I wouldn't mind betting that they don't. "I'm sure I read somewhere that you can lengthen a snorkel with tubing..."

The Paraplegikerzentrum has quite a few patients who dived head first into water which was nothing like deep enough and 'everyone knows' that one should check the depth.

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