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Loads of snow: take care off piste

Considerable snow has fallen over the last 3 days & huge further snow falls are expected over the next 9 days.

People died yesterday in Argentiere & today in Val D'isere.

It's currently Avalanche risk 4/5 so high risk, keep away from slopes over 30 degrees & go equipped with transceivers, shovels & probes.
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Re: Loads of snow take care off piste

Skiing off-piste at the moment is simply evolution at work. The only hope we have is that they didn't breed beforehand.
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Old 11.01.2016, 19:18
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Re: Loads of snow: take care off piste

Here is a big avalanche on the Matterhorn, still risk 4 in many places & most lifts closed in Chamonix today.

https://www.facebook.com/matteo.teoc...8222818831993/
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Re: Loads of snow: take care off piste

... and still not a snowflake over the Jura yet- so weird.
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Old 11.01.2016, 19:23
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... and still not a snowflake over the Jura yet- so weird.
It's been raining hard at 1000m for 4 days, with a few snow flakes starting to fall again now.
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Re: Loads of snow: take care off piste

Just opened the kitchen patio door to throw a crust of bread to the birds- and it's all white out there! When dusk fell it was still very green!
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Re: Loads of snow: take care off piste

English guy caught on Friday in Meribel

http://www.ledauphine.com/savoie/201...-une-avalanche
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Re: Loads of snow: take care off piste

Here is a clip from last week in Chamonix, I saw on the web

https://vimeo.com/151327186
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Re: Loads of snow: take care off piste

I am aware of at least 3 big avalanches today :-

Avalanche hit the piste in Avoriaz
http://www.powpowpow.org/avalanche-in-avoriaz/

10 school kids caught in Les Deux Alps, 2 kids Dead, 3 seriously hurt & 5 kids still missing, with a ski instructor.
http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-diver...w.google.fr%2F

Massive avalanche today on the Val Veny side of Courmayeur that engulfed the Zerotta. I was actually skiing in Courmayeur today with French a ski instructor, I was the only person with an ABS, everyone else in the group had their own transceiver, shovel & probe.
https://www.facebook.com/chamonixsno...type=3&theater

Stay safe, go equipped & take a mountain professional. Don't rely 100% on anyone else, it's your life at risk.

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Re: Loads of snow: take care off piste

2 people killed in the Verbier ski area yesterday
http://www.planetski.eu/news/7605

A video from Les Houches yesterday
https://www.facebook.com/21946618476...73383/?theater

Avalanche risk was 3 at the time in both resort, 3 means considerable.
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Re: Loads of snow: take care off piste

Why do people risk the off piste runs right now? I am a little baffled by this. I am not a ski expert so it just goes to reason if they have all these warnings that people would be paying attention?


I assume as well when idiots do this and then get trapped people have to then go rescue them also then putting their lives then at some risk?

if there is a sign at the beach with "SHARKS" and someone gets bite I can't see how you complain
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Re: Loads of snow: take care off piste

Because the ski season has begun late and people are so excited it has finally arrived.

Because many great skiers and boarders these days become very good skiers quickly, with new style equipment- their skiing boarding skills are excellent, but their intuitive knowledge of the mountain and snow are just not there (same for sailors not raised by the sea)...My advice when choosing guides is don't pick the best skier, but the one who was born and raised where you are going- and who can sense danger in his/her bones and see the signs no-one else can see...

Because they believe the equipment they carry will save them. Because they think they know better.

Because riding deep fluffy powder is just so massively amazing and the best feeling in the world...
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Why do people risk the off piste runs right now? I am a little baffled by this. I am not a ski expert so it just goes to reason if they have all these warnings that people would be paying attention?


I assume as well when idiots do this and then get trapped people have to then go rescue them also then putting their lives then at some risk?

if there is a sign at the beach with "SHARKS" and someone gets bite I can't see how you complain
People ski off piste because it's fun, powder snow being the best sensation & you can only do it after a snow fall.

Rescuers won't put themselves in serious danger, there is no point as by the time they arrive you will almost certainly be dead. You need to be rescued within 15 minutes, after 30 minutes the chance of survival is below 50%, after 1 hour less than 25%.

I have skied off piste almost every day since early December, it's where you go thats important. This was taken yesterday, 3 of us all equipped but in a relatively safe area.
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People ski off piste because it's fun, powder snow being the best sensation & you can only do it after a snow fall.

Rescuers won't put themselves in serious danger, there is no point as by the time they arrive you will almost certainly be dead. You need to be rescued within 15 minutes, after 30 minutes the chance of survival is below 50%, after 1 hour less than 25%.

I have skied off piste almost every day since early December, it's where you go thats important. This was taken yesterday, 3 of us all equipped but in a relatively safe area.

Good to know the rescuers aren't going to put themselves in real danger.

You seem to be kitted out with all the needed bits and bobs and I assume others getting caught out don't have this. The school kids story still is upsetting
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Re: Loads of snow: take care off piste

Great picture illustrating exactly that you can ski powder quite safely if you pick your area with care, thanks.

Re rescuers not putting their life in danger. I beg to differ here. Huge discussions have been taking place re this for many years here- and this especially after a REGA doctor, young father- was killed rescuing people who had clearly taken huge risks against all advice. The question being 'should people who deliberately ignore advice and conditions and put themsleves clearly at massive risk- be just left there until conditions are safe for rescuers?'. I've discussed this with Instructor and rescuer friends again and again. And the conclusion normally is 'as our passion is also to ski off-piste- we will continue to rescue...even if the risks are high'.
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Re: Loads of snow: take care off piste

Loads of snow indeed here ... and it's still flaking.

I'm not even living my warm bed
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Great picture illustrating exactly that you can ski powder quite safely if you pick your area with care, thanks.

Re rescuers not putting their life in danger. I beg to differ here. Huge discussions have been taking place re this for many years here- and this especially after a REGA doctor, young father- was killed rescuing people who had clearly taken huge risks against all advice. The question being 'should people who deliberately ignore advice and conditions and put themsleves clearly at massive risk- be just left there until conditions are safe for rescuers?'. I've discussed this with Instructor and rescuer friends again and again. And the conclusion normally is 'as our passion is also to ski off-piste- we will continue to rescue...even if the risks are high'.
Anybody doing any first aid or rescue must assess the situation & their own safety before doing anything, it's standard practice.

You actually need to qualify exactly what 'even if the risks are high' means, Risk 4 is 'high' risk. There may not be any real risk to the rescuers traversing 200m on a slope that has already avalanched.
In bad weather helicopters can't fly, I know a mountain guide who injured himself & could not be rescued for 3 days, so the reality is you won't get rescued in bad or dangerous conditions.

To survive you need to be rescued within 15 minutes, which means being rescued by the people you are with, if you have to call for assistance it will be too late in most cases.
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Re: Loads of snow: take care off piste

thank you for posting.

if you are up in the mountains and off piste you just have to get yourself educated. Same as driving on snow and ice. unlike the locals who were on the slopes from the moment they could walk, we really have to put in an effort to understand and cope with winter conditions.
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Same as driving on snow and ice.
that is why I'm driving like an old lady right now
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Re: Loads of snow: take care off piste

certainly hope you've got yourself some snow tyres. Do you have a front or rear drive car?
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