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Ski buying advice needed please...

Guys I need a bit of ski buying advice for 80-90% piste, 10-20% powder.

I have my eye on some Atomic Vantage 85 Cti's as seen here https://www.snowcountry.eu/atomic-vantage-85-cti.html

The difficulty I am having is deciding which bindings to get with them (from those listed in the page I linked above). I will be wearing alpine boots, though I guess it's interesting to have the option for others with the MNC bindings.

Thoughts, please?

PS: I have thought about seasonal renting, but I'm a sucker for having an emotional attachment to stuff I buy, and have had a pair of old Volkl P60 race skis that I bought for 50chf 8 years ago on this very forum that have been absolute champs and I loved them dearly.
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Old 10.11.2016, 21:42
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They all appear to be normal alpine bindings (i.e. not touring bindings) so not much of a difference to choose from. I'm a big fan of Salomon bindings, Marker are also good. The important thing is the DIN range, you don't want to be at the far end of the DIN, get a binding where you are in the middle of the DIN range i.e. I ski on 7 and use 4-12 bindings, but they wouldn't be good for someone skiing on 11 or 12.
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What DIN you need?

I like the Salmon STH but also have a few skis with Marker Jester / Griffin / Schizo and have no complaints
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They all appear to be normal alpine bindings (i.e. not touring bindings) so not much of a difference to choose from. I'm a big fan of Salomon bindings, Marker are also good. The important thing is the DIN range, you don't want to be at the far end of the DIN, get a binding where you are in the middle of the DIN range i.e. I ski on 7 and use 4-12 bindings, but they wouldn't be good for someone skiing on 11 or 12.
Thanks Monkey.

The following look have good reviews:

-Marker Griffon Id 13 (seem to be very popular and highly rated for performance and reliability)
-Salomon ST2 Wir (get a fair few good reviews also)
-Salomon Warden Mnc 13 (good reviews but far less info)

I'm thinking the Marker Griffon would be the safest bet?

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What DIN you need?

I like the Salmon STH but also have a few skis with Marker Jester / Griffin / Schizo and have no complaints
I'm 170cm and 72kg so guessing not too high? To be honest I haven't thought about this before so am researching as I go along.
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Old 10.11.2016, 21:54
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Guys I need a bit of ski buying advice for 80-90% piste, 10-20% powder.

I have my eye on some Atomic Vantage 85 Cti's as seen here https://www.snowcountry.eu/atomic-vantage-85-cti.html

The difficulty I am having is deciding which bindings to get with them (from those listed in the page I linked above). I will be wearing alpine boots, though I guess it's interesting to have the option for others with the MNC bindings.

Thoughts, please?

PS: I have thought about seasonal renting, but I'm a sucker for having an emotional attachment to stuff I buy, and have had a pair of old Volkl P60 race skis that I bought for 50chf 8 years ago on this very forum that have been absolute champs and I loved them dearly.
If your skiing 80/90% on piste, an all mountain ski seems an odd choice TBH, Your DIN setting is likely about 6, no need to pay a fortune for a binding.
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Thanks Monkey.

The following look have good reviews:

-Marker Griffon Id 13 (seem to be very popular and highly rated for performance and reliability)
-Salomon ST2 Wir (get a fair few good reviews also)
-Salomon Warden Mnc 13 (good reviews but far less info)

I'm thinking the Marker Griffon would be the safest bet?



I'm 170cm and 72kg so guessing not too high? To be honest I haven't thought about this before so am researching as I go along.
In which case you won't need a DIN range much above 12 and the debate between plastic and metal won't matter to you either.

I have been running Griffins on one of my favourite skis for 5 years and never had any issues some might attribute lower range Markers
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Thanks Monkey.

The following look have good reviews:

-Marker Griffon Id 13 (seem to be very popular and highly rated for performance and reliability)
-Salomon ST2 Wir (get a fair few good reviews also)
-Salomon Warden Mnc 13 (good reviews but far less info)

I'm thinking the Marker Griffon would be the safest bet?



I'm 170cm and 72kg so guessing not too high? To be honest I haven't thought about this before so am researching as I go along.
DIN also depends on your boot sole length and skill level. But if you own skis already, check the DIN on those bindings and also there are online DIN calculators.
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DIN also depends on your boot sole length and skill level. But if you own skis already, check the DIN on those bindings and also there are online DIN calculators.
I wear 27.5 boots and am an advanced and aggressive skier when it comes to the groomers. I will check my skis as you suggest.
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I wear 27.5 boots and am an advanced and aggressive skier when it comes to the groomers. I will check my skis as you suggest.
Setting is 7 then , French ski shops just use weight divided by 10 which seems spot in in this instance.
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Just bigging up the Swiss Ski, I'm a big fan of the Stöckli Laser SX and AX, bit pricey but awesome skis.
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Old 10.11.2016, 22:33
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Just bigging up the Swiss Ski, I'm a big fan of the Stöckli Laser SX and AX, bit pricey but awesome skis.
For on piste, I agree. When I started wanting to foray off the pistes a bit, I found that the Rossi Soul 7s did an amazing job in all settings, even though they should be primarily powder skis.
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For on piste, I agree. When I started wanting to foray off the pistes a bit, I found that the Rossi Soul 7s did an amazing job in all settings, even though they should be primarily powder skis.
The Stöckli Laser AX is good for a bit of off piste here and there and still has a good radius for on piste. The SX is just a beast on the piste. I've never got on with Rossi skis, I'm not sure why but they are not for me
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If your skiing 80/90% on piste, an all mountain ski seems an odd choice TBH, Your DIN setting is likely about 6, no need to pay a fortune for a binding.
Hmm well I may well experiment more in future so I think it makes sense to get a good all round set.

Was also looking at these... half the price and also well reviewed http://www.evo.com/ski-packages/salo...-bindings.aspx
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If you fancy skiing in the next few weeks, you could sign up for the ski test in Zermatt and try out lots of different skis to see what you like.
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Others have already said it, but don't fuss about the bindings. For what you're looking at they're all much of a muchness, so notwithstanding specific ski/binding dependencies I'd tend to let the shop recommend what goes best and choose the cheapest option.

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PS: I have thought about seasonal renting, but I'm a sucker for having an emotional attachment to stuff I buy, and have had a pair of old Volkl P60 race skis that I bought for 50chf 8 years ago on this very forum that have been absolute champs and I loved them dearly.
Interesting, this. I also acquired some P60s from a forum ad, also for 50chf, and was really happy with them, given that mostly I'd been focusing on off piste skis and just wanted some more piste ones for teaching.

But then I demoed some modern race skis. Wow. What a difference. I ended up getting a pair of Stoeckli (laser) GS skis , which the shop tech picked out personally based on my feedback to find the stiffest pair they could. Skis at this level are graded in the factory, so one pair can be quite different to another, despite being the same model and length.

Anyway, i was blown away by these, and preferred them to the Slalom model chosen by several others in the sky school, and will be using them next week for my BASI L3 technical. Wish me luck.
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Thanks, but I'm looking to buy online as in the OP.
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Guys I need a bit of ski buying advice for 80-90% piste, 10-20% powder.
The obvious question: Isn't that the wrong ski? I got the Atomic Blackeye TI from last year (still in your online shop with a discount) and looking at the specs is mine more of an all mountain ski while your choice is clearly more on the freeride side... which you only do 10-20%.

I find mine already too much freeride and think I'd probably been better off with a more on-piste profile...

(on the binding: mine came with the factory Atomic one, I am WAY heavier than you, so it should matter more... but I found the difference between modern bindings absolutely minimal. Probably does make a difference if you really race, but certainly not at my "somewhat sporty skiing" level)
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The obvious question: Isn't that the wrong ski? I got the Atomic Blackeye TI from last year (still in your online shop with a discount) and looking at the specs is mine more of an all mountain ski while your choice is clearly more on the freeride side... which you only do 10-20%.

I find mine already too much freeride and think I'd probably been better off with a more on-piste profile...

(on the binding: mine came with the factory Atomic one, I am WAY heavier than you, so it should matter more... but I found the difference between modern bindings absolutely minimal. Probably does make a difference if you really race, but certainly not at my "somewhat sporty skiing" level)
Fat atomics can be surprisingly good on piste, in fact I demoed some and they had incredible edge hold but I found them too heavy and too slow edge to edge. I've gone back to old school style skinny GS skis for Switzerland, which have similar measurements to my old 'all mountains' from the 80s. Makes the off piste that I do do rather interesting. If there's new snow I'll take my low-to-mid-fat all mountains. In my opinion it's worth buying more than one pair of skis.
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Thanks, but I'm looking to buy online as in the OP.
I would never buy a ski unless I'd demoed it, or at least a very similar model, beforehand. However many reviews you read, advice you get or experiences you study, there's still a significant chance that a given ski may give a completely different feeling for you than it did for others.
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I rented skis for the whole season from pro ski in Thalwil. That allowed me to try out 3 different skis for at least a few weeks each. ( I think you are allowed to change only once, but the second time I changed it was already towards the end of season so they let me have a pair which was just returned) When I thought I had a good idea of the type of skis I would like, I looked out for sales on specific skis around the end of last season.


Found my blizzard Brahmas previous-season model here for 50% off, free delivery, zero German VAT, but needed to add the usual swiss tax and admin charges on top. Great service.


https://www.sport-bittl.com/


So I rented and tested the skis at probably less than 50% the cost of new skis, then bought the skis at also 50% off, I think overall it was a good move!


In terms of bindings, the only thing you want to look at if you are buying wider skis is to match the width of the bindings. I got the marker griffon which looks too wide for race skis but matches mine perfectly.
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