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If you order a Canyon bike for pickup in Germany (only way possible for people from CH), do you need to pay the German VAT ?

Getting VAT back at the border is such a pain that it would be much easier not to pay it to start with. So I was wondering as to the experiences of you guys that bought one...
I rec'd my bike - Nerve AM9 - in Italy.
Paid my CH import duties, had evrything stamped from customs.
Sent paperwork to Germany and wad refunded in 7 days...

Just one thing: remember to order spare derailler hangers for your MTB... They are delicate...


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Old 13.07.2011, 11:53
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I rec'd my bike - Nerve AM9 - in Italy.
Oh man it takes some big brass ones to order a 3500euro bike online without seeing/trying/fitting it first ! And there I am being nervous about a lowly yellowstone...
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Old 13.07.2011, 12:00
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Re: Canyon Bikes

At the end of the day I knew that it is a much sought after bike (in Italy Canyon is very popular) so if anything I would be able to flip it in case something wasn't to my liking...
I had heard stellar comments from the owners or those who had tested one.
And at the end of the day I wanted to avoid doing so many upgrades to my older bike - a Ti frame Motobecane - which would have cost me an arm and a leg.

The sum of the components of my AM9 (price source hibike.de) - sans frame, mind you... - is way higher than the price of the whole package (!!), assembled and delivered. Basically you're buying the components at a good price, and get a free frame

Make sure you check out their "outlet" page for special deals, etc...

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Old 22.08.2011, 12:39
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If you order a Canyon bike for pickup in Germany (only way possible for people from CH), do you need to pay the German VAT ?

Getting VAT back at the border is such a pain that it would be much easier not to pay it to start with. So I was wondering as to the experiences of you guys that bought one...
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I have answer from Canyon:
If you are in Switzerland you're suppose to go pickup the bike from their "storage" somewhere currently in Koblenz. Then you need to export it as usual with everything (like stamping the form on exit of germany, sending it back to Canyon, etc...).

Also, if you order online to a german address you need to specify clearly it's for export to the phone staff from Canyon. They will include the forms you will need to stamp. After you stamped them, you'll need to wait more than 30 days (so you dont return the bike and pocket the vat). Then they transfer it to your card.
Source: someone who told me the process (Swiss, ordered in Postal Box Germany).
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Old 22.08.2011, 13:26
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Yes :
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If you are in Switzerland you're suppose to go pickup the bike from their "storage" somewhere currently in Koblenz. Then you need to export it as usual with everything (like stamping the form on exit of germany, sending it back to Canyon, etc...).
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Also, if you order online to a german address you need to specify clearly it's for export to the phone staff from Canyon.
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They will include the forms you will need to stamp.
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After you stamped them, you'll need to wait more than 30 days (so you dont return the bike and pocket the vat).
- No. My personal experience is that they transferred in 10 days. And you can't just "return" the bike. You would need to agree w/ the sales team and presumably they would eventually only reimbourse the sales price minus VAT. still it would be a mess, because you would need to opena a file w/ Swiss customs in order to reclaim 8% domestic VAT.

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Then they transfer it to your card.
I don't know how they could do this. It is much easier to send them a registered letter asking for the VAT to be repaid on a CH bank account (remember to quote your IBAN number besides a/c name and number!).

Still in my honeymoon phase w/ my Nerve AM, however I know of folks in Italy who have been waiting forever for their Strive to be delivered. Communication *can* be sometimes sketchy....

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Old 22.08.2011, 13:44
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Yes :
I have answer from Canyon:
If you are in Switzerland you're suppose to go pickup the bike from their "storage" somewhere currently in Koblenz.
Also, as you hinted at in your post, you can arrange with Canyon to pick up the bike from a UPS Delivery Centre nearer to our border. I e-mailed them earlier this year and they offered this as an alternative to having a German address. This would be a handy alternative for anyone who doesn't fancy the drive to Koblenz.

Oh, and another tip - as it's approaching the end of the season they will almost certainly start a sale soon, perhaps 1st September (although someone else may remember when the sale started last year). If they still have a stock of 2011 bikes - you should get a good discount.
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Old 22.08.2011, 14:43
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Also, as you hinted at in your post, you can arrange with Canyon to pick up the bike from a UPS Delivery Centre nearer to our border. I e-mailed them earlier this year and they offered this as an alternative to having a German address. This would be a handy alternative for anyone who doesn't fancy the drive to Koblenz.

Oh, and another tip - as it's approaching the end of the season they will almost certainly start a sale soon, perhaps 1st September (although someone else may remember when the sale started last year). If they still have a stock of 2011 bikes - you should get a good discount.
Thanks for the tip about UPS delivery Center.
Actually they will announce the new range during the Eurobike (Starting 31stAugust):
http://www.eurobike-show.com/eb-en/

They already started to have 2011 models unavailable. A lot of them are not available anymore (out of stock already).

Example: Nerve XC is now longer available for: 5.0, 6.0, 9.0... Only expensives models XC 7 and XC 8 are available.


During september they usually "empty their stock" in their online outlet with small discounts. Of course if they still have stocks.

So far, unless you find a leak, there's not much infos on new ranges. It's possible some range are finished, etc...

It looks like 2012 models will be very...colorful :
http://www.adopte1vtt.fr/tag/vtt-canyon-2012/
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Old 22.08.2011, 14:47
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Thanks for the tip about UPS delivery Center.
Actually they will announce the new range during the Eurobike (Starting 31stAugust):
http://www.eurobike-show.com/eb-en/

They already started to have 2011 models unavailable. A lot of them are not available anymore (out of stock already).

Example: Nerve XC is now longer available for: 5.0, 6.0, 9.0... Only expensives models XC 7 and XC 8 are available.


During september they usually "empty their stock" in their online outlet with small discounts. Of course if they still have stocks.

So far, unless you find a leak, there's not much infos on new ranges. It's possible some range are finished, etc...

It looks like 2012 models will be very...colorful :
http://www.adopte1vtt.fr/tag/vtt-canyon-2012/
The 2012 range is for sure finalised. I'll be having a look at them next Wednesday at Eurobike. I would imagine they will be available on the online store from September/October.

I think a bit of Colour in the Canyons is a good thing.
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The 2012 range is for sure finalised. I'll be having a look at them next Wednesday at Eurobike. I would imagine they will be available on the online store from September/October.

I think a bit of Colour in the Canyons is a good thing.
Yes, lucky you

I meant by "range are finished" that they might be "disappeared out of their models".

For example maybe the "Nerve XC" serie won't exists anymore and they created a new "nerve X" (random scenario).


I don't share the same view about colors: for me it's only attracting thiefs even more by making your bike "noticable". I like the "non attracting" bikes
Black, simple, nice!
(yes it's much more than a simple color to fight against thieves).
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Old 22.08.2011, 15:02
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Yes, lucky you

I meant by "range are finished" that they might be "disappeared out of their models".

For example maybe the "Nerve XC" serie won't exists anymore and they created a new "nerve X" (random scenario).


I don't share the same view about colors: for me it's only attracting thiefs even more by making your bike "noticable". I like the "non attracting" bikes
Black, simple, nice!
(yes it's much more than a simple color to fight against thieves).
If you want to buy a bike to leave sitting around Zurich fair enough... But for me a mountain bike is to be ridden in the mountains. It's usually either under my ass or locked up in the cellar and there is nothing like a bit of colour to brighten up your day!

Plus, we're not living in the UK here. If you park your bike and there is a 10,000CHF Specialised S-Works or a 5,000CHF Canyon, I'd bet my bottom dollar the Specialised will develop legs before the Canyon. Here in Switzerland you regularly see 10,000CHF+ bikes just sitting around outside a restaurant in the mountains.
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Does Canyon have MTB hardtail 29-ers ? Will they for the 2012 model year ?
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Old 22.08.2011, 15:17
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ok, ok
But...pink color!!!!


(as per the link I gave)
They put the pink accessory!!


Anyway it looks like all 2012 models from many brands are "Bicolored":
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They will have 1 model apparently.
I found that there:

http://twentyniner.free.fr/forum/vie...hp?f=15&t=4607
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Old 22.08.2011, 15:56
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Re: Canyon Bikes

I'd imagine that the pink rocker link is most likely for a womens specific model!

There is a person (male) who used to frequent these boards that can be found out and about on a completely pink bike! He actually painted it that colour himself.

Yes we are all quite worried about him!
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Old 22.08.2011, 16:10
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I'd imagine that the pink rocker link is most likely for a womens specific model!

There is a person (male) who used to frequent these boards that can be found out and about on a completely pink bike! He actually painted it that colour himself.

Yes we are all quite worried about him!

Pink is the perfect anti-theft color !
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Does Canyon have MTB hardtail 29-ers ? Will they for the 2012 model year ?
http://esmtb.com/7401/canyon-2012-to...anyon-al-29er/

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Re: Canyon Bikes

I bought the AM 7.0 about 2 months ago
- I called Canyon and explained I will import to CH. They included the forms to stamp at the border with the bike
- I got it delivered to a friends place in Germany (It arrived within 2 weeks)
- I road the bike to the border had the forms stamped and paid CH tax.
- Sent the original stamped forms to Canyon

I have the refund of the german tax from Canyon
Also happy with the bike and spent a week in Les Duex alpes testing it out.
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Old 23.08.2011, 14:54
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More leaks about the 29ers:


http://www.29pollici.com/news/68-rum...nteprima-29ers
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I love the goose-neck frames on the 29-ers, Trekbikes have that as well
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Re: Canyon Bikes

My friend has a FRX (DH) and the Torque Drop Zone. Another friend has the Torque Alpinist and yet another friend has the Torque Rock Zone. I have ridden all of them and I must say they can handle anything you can throw at them. The Torque pedals extremely well for what it is (180mm freeriding machine) and can be built sub 14 kilos. A friend of a friend (a Zermatt local) bought the Torque so he could change the parts over to a Santa Cruz Nomad. He rode the torque for a few weeks until his S.C frame came in. After he built up the Nomad he said he spent the next month in denial until he finally swapped the parts back onto the Torque frame and sold the Nomad. It really is that good. And for the price I dare you to find a better deal. Just a tip, keep the box in case you need to send it back to Canyon for any warranty work. They will refund all shipping costs.
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