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Canyon Bikes

Hey,

has anyone ever heard of canyon bikes before? www.canyon.com

Im thinking of getting their top DH bike. Its absolutely amazing value for money. Similar speced bikes are costinging maybe 40% more.

Only problem is very hard to find any reviews of them.

Any thoughts?
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Old 06.01.2009, 15:49
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Re: Canyon Bikes

I know a few people who have Canyon bikes. They are generally quite happy with them. All the components are the same as any other manufacturer. I do know one guy who went through 2 frames in a short period of time. First one got a dent in the top cross bar, and the second just opened for no apparent reason on the downtube. This was the 06 model all mountain bike though so it does not necessarily say anything about the current downhill bike.

Canyon seems to regularly get top marks for value for money in the German MTB magazines.
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Re: Canyon Bikes

I know that a few EF members have bought bikes from them, see this post and the ones that follow discussing their mountain bikes, and this post and the ones that follow discussing their road bikes.

I was doing some research into Canyon when looking for an all-carbon road frame a few months ago. Although they only sell direct to the public online, not through local bike shops, they do have a showroom in Germany, but nowhere close to Switzerland. However, I did get to visit their booth while at Eurobike in Friedrichshafen last September, and liked what I saw. One complaint that I did read several times was that their delivery times tend to be quite slow - if they say 4 to 6 weeks it could be up to 3 months. They are pretty popular in Germany, and although there are not many reviews in the English-speaking press I'm sure there are in the German-speaking press.

One thing to be aware of is that there is a Swiss bike brand that is also called Canyon, and who make lower-end mountain bikes. The companies are completely different, so officially the German Canyon has to re-brand the bikes they ship to Switzerland, but I've heard that this only consists of putting a few stickers in the box that they encourage you to put over their decals yourself, but obviously there is no need to do so.

In response to Eire's comments, when reading up on their road bikes I read about someone who found a manufacturing defect on one of their frames, but he got it replaced quickly at no charge.

As far as I know, they are not cutting corners anywhere to get their prices so low - they are merely cutting out the middle men (the distributors and local bike store) and passing those savings onto the customers.
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Old 06.01.2009, 16:51
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Re: Canyon Bikes

I recently bought a Canyon carbon all-mountain/marathon bike (Spectral AX 9) which I am extremely pleased with. It's very light and fast with top components. I got a great reduction on a 2008 model and with the German 19% MWSt deducted and the Swiss 7.8% paid I was laughing all the way to the nearest singletrail. I've also ridden Nerve XCs AMs and a Torque. All were nicely balanced and well built.

Prices are great but you need to be aware that if something goes wrong then you need to send the bike/part back to Germany which can leave you "without wheels" for quite a while. Also your LBS may not be quite as friendly as they used to. You won't be able to test ride (unless you travel to Koblenz) so you will need to be sure of what you are getting.

Canyon was very up front and honest with my delivery date when I calles them to discuss it. They admitted that they were having some problems with a new computer system and told me it would take a month. In reality it showed up a week early.

The Coast stickers were delivered already "installed" but can very easily be removed.

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Re: Canyon Bikes

From what I've seen, I'm impressed as well. We ordered a new hard tail for my wife last August, but unfortunately the delivery date was estimated to be in week 23 of 2016, or near then. They seem to have brought out 2009 models now, so I reckon it would be the time to order before the Spring rush.

What I liked about them is the way they are kitted out with parts that regularly win 4 & 5 star reviews, rather than whatever the factory in Taiwan has in the parts bin at the moment. Good stuff like Thomson seatposts, Formula brakes, Schwalbe tyres etc all things that people upgrade to aftermarket. I agree with these sentiments from Bike.de magazine:
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Re: Canyon Bikes

Hello All.

Just wanted to bump this up. I'm considering ordering a Canyon roadbike, probably the 6.0 or 7.0 Roadlite. Has anyone got one of their road bikes? Any comments on ride style or how it feels?

Also - their "Perfect Positioning System" recommends a frame size slightly bigger than I would perhaps have chosen - did anyone use this for choosing your bike size, and is it pretty accurate?

Their prices look very good and the bikes themselves also look really nice, I just want a little bit more customer info before taking the plunge.
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Re: Canyon Bikes

I decided against the Canyon in the end.

I was able to find a well known brand bike with the same spec for just a fraction more of the cost.

I'm just not sure they have the experience of frame building that the mature brands have.

With that said I have a friend who owns a canyon road bike and is very happy with it.
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I decided against the Canyon in the end.

I was able to find a well known brand bike with the same spec for just a fraction more of the cost.

I'm just not sure they have the experience of frame building that the mature brands have.

With that said I have a friend who owns a canyon road bike and is very happy with it.
Thanks for the info. Who did you go with in the end? I'm considering Colnago (Prima) or Trek (1.5 or 2.1) as alternatives at the moment.
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I'm just not sure they have the experience of frame building that the mature brands have.
Omega Pharma-Lotto team ride Canyon bikes.

5th place in the individual and team classification of the TdF is a pretty good endoresement for a frame builder.

In terms of frame building experience, they come from the same Taiwanese factory that all the other brands come from....
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I decided against the Canyon in the end.

I was able to find a well known brand bike with the same spec for just a fraction more of the cost.

I'm just not sure they have the experience of frame building that the mature brands have.

With that said I have a friend who owns a canyon road bike and is very happy with it.
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Thanks for the info. Who did you go with in the end? I'm considering Colnago (Prima) or Trek (1.5 or 2.1) as alternatives at the moment.
Yes Giant do make good frames in their Taiwan factories, whatever branding goes on them
http://allanti.com/articles/where-wa...made-pg328.htm

With most "name brands" unless you are buying the very high end, the frame was likely to have been made in Taiwan (or China for carbon fibre), probably at the Giant factory.
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Old 11.08.2010, 11:37
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Re: Canyon Bikes

As for ride quality of Canyon road bikes, I've heard that they are like many other German brands - stiff and not very compliant (maybe that is how the Germans like it). The Colnago and Trek that you are considering will probably give a bit more of a comfort ride.

Many bike frames from different brands are made in the same small set of Taiwanese factories, but it is the design of the frame that is at least as or more important than the location that it was made.
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Re: Canyon Bikes

Just a heads-up re parts.
I ordered a TI Motobecane frame from www.bikeisland.com. The guy who runs the outfit sells past models @ steep discount prices / low markup.
I received the frame and was extremely pleased (the thing weighs next to nothing, LOL).
Ten minutes ago I received my front wheel from a fellow EF'er who runs the shop hilite-bikes.com... am almost ready to roll

Now if only the weather would improve....... :-/

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Re: Canyon Bikes

The prices for frames at Bike Island look great, but on their website under the "Where We Ship" page, it states "From Bike Island, we will happily ship your item anywhere in the continental United States that your credit card is billed to." So it seems that shipping to Switzerland isn't an option. Do you have experience otherwise?

Bike Island appears to mainly sell Motobecane frames, which are made by Kinesis in Taiwan, plus some unbranded Kinesis frames. Kinesis has a UK subsidiary that designs frames for the UK market and has them built in Taiwan, see the Kinesis UK website here. They offer a great range of frames at decent prices, which are available from many UK websites that offer fast shipping to Switzerland, so that is probably a better option for someone living here than Bike Island. I've built up 3 bikes using different models of frames from Kinesis UK for friends and have been very happy with them all. If you want a new frame for a decent price then I highly recommend checking them out (most big-name bike brands don't sell the frames alone except for their most expensive models).
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The prices for frames at Bike Island look great, but on their website under the "Where We Ship" page, it states "From Bike Island, we will happily ship your item anywhere in the continental United States that your credit card is billed to." So it seems that shipping to Switzerland isn't an option. Do you have experience otherwise?

Bike Island appears to mainly sell Motobecane frames, which are made by Kinesis in Taiwan, plus some unbranded Kinesis frames. Kinesis has a UK subsidiary that designs frames for the UK market and has them built in Taiwan, see the Kinesis UK website here. They offer a great range of frames at decent prices, which are available from many UK websites that offer fast shipping to Switzerland, so that is probably a better option for someone living here than Bike Island. I've built up 3 bikes using different models of frames from Kinesis UK for friends and have been very happy with them all. If you want a new frame for a decent price then I highly recommend checking them out (most big-name bike brands don't sell the frames alone except for their most expensive models).
Looks like you should be talking to my brother, then (www.powercranks.com is where he's working)

Any ideas for a full-susp frame? Might want to indulge in some DIY for the next season later this year...

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Many bike frames from different brands are made in the same small set of Taiwanese factories, but it is the design of the frame that is at least as or more important than the location that it was made.
Agreed Chris, I just get a bit touchy wih some of the snobbery that goes on with road bikes, particularly Italian marque elitism. Much the same when anyone starts going on about the "soul" of Ducati motorcycles....
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Re: Canyon Bikes

The top of the line Canyon road bike just got a very positive review at BikeRadar.com, see here.
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Re: Canyon Bikes

In the end I bit the bullet and ordered the Roadlite 6.0 in anodized black. I was between two frame sizes (58 and 60) on their positioning system and went for the 60 because the top tube length was the same as another bike that fitted me well.

First impressions? It looks amazing, all black and very sleek. To get round the marketing issue they had stuck stickers over the Canyon logo to read "Coast". Quite apart from the fact that one of these wasn't one straight (revealing some of the original logo beneath) they were blatently designed to be peeled off the moment you got the bike. Which I did.

My advice if ordering one is to go and try out a bike in a shop that you can touch and feel. Find a frame size that fits you and then compare to the recommended size via the Canyon Perfect Positioning System. For me I'd tried two bikes with a 575mm top tube and 100-110mm stem, which was just right. This matched the Canyon 60 frame, the 60 referring in this case to a 605mm seat tube. So, less seat post showing than is currently fashionable - but a good upper body fit.

I just can't wait to get out on it now and give the Pfannenstiel a go!
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Re: Canyon Bikes

Looks like the trademark dispute between CH Canyon and DE Canyon has escalated a notch.

Canyon DE are now prohibited from distributing their bikes in Switzerland, even under the Coast brand name. i.e. you can't have a Canyon bike delivered to Switzerland any more.

The Germans are planning to set up one or more collection depots on the Swiss border to get around this.

As an affectionado of the German Canyon brand, I find this pretty disappointing, however the prospect of having a distribution centre closer to home, perhaps with some service and test ride capabilities is positive.

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Looks like the trademark dispute between CH Canyon and DE Canyon has escalated a notch.

Canyon DE are now prohibited from distributing their bikes in Switzerland, even under the Coast brand name. i.e. you can't have a Canyon bike delivered to Switzerland any more.

The Germans are planning to set up one or more collection depots on the Swiss border to get around this.

As an affectionado of the German Canyon brand, I find this pretty disappointing, however the prospect of having a distribution centre closer to home, perhaps with some service and test ride capabilities is positive.

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Is it because they do such a bad job of rebranding the bikes? As soon as I got mine, I just peeled off all the "Coast" stickers covering up the canyon name.
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Re: Canyon Bikes

If you order a Canyon bike for pickup in Germany (only way possible for people from CH), do you need to pay the German VAT ?

Getting VAT back at the border is such a pain that it would be much easier not to pay it to start with. So I was wondering as to the experiences of you guys that bought one...
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