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Re: escape the grey

Of course you could always telemark; 1 boot, ski's, bindings for everything. 'Free your heel and free your mind'
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Re: escape the grey

forgot this bit http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7816336.stm

maybe baggy trousers aren't a good idea for skiing.
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Old 08.01.2009, 10:37
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forgot this bit http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7816336.stm

maybe baggy trousers aren't a good idea for skiing.

posted that yesterday, but more graphic pictures so it go moved to off topic.
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Old 08.01.2009, 11:43
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forgot this bit http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7816336.stm

maybe baggy trousers aren't a good idea for skiing.
funny.

I can understand that your trousers could get catch by the machine, but this guy had no underwear or baselayer tights ?

Probably a masked exhibitionist attempt ?
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Old 08.01.2009, 11:49
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funny.

I can understand that your trousers could get catch by the machine, but this guy had no underwear or baselayer tights ?

Probably a masked exhibitionist attempt ?
It doesn't really seem like an attempt at exhibitionist...in the close up(not sure why I am looking at this again though) it looks like he might have on a base layer..

Another reason not to ski
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Old 08.01.2009, 12:05
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Re: escape the grey

How about using Touring boots in alpine bindings, is that possible? I really hate using alpine boots and I'm not a great skier so this might be a solution for me...


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The boots are almost exactly the same. Infact you can use normal alpine boots in most touring bindings (but they do need to be adjusted first). The type you showed are quite new on the market though and require a special boot.

The main difference between Alpine and Touring boots is the sole. Touring boots have a sole like a hiking boot to allow you to walk without slipping. They also have an articulation in the ankle which can give a small amount of movement or be locked just like an alpine boot. I spent last week going through the Alpine/Touring boot question and in the end went for touring ones.
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Old 08.01.2009, 12:22
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How about using Touring boots in alpine bindings, is that possible? I really hate using alpine boots and I'm not a great skier so this might be a solution for me...
In general touring boots don't fit in Alpine bindings as far as I know (maybe an expert can correct me). But, there are hybrid boots available. They are essentially a touring boot with a replaceable sole. They come with a thinner sole to fit in an alpine binding and should you want to you can screw off the alpine sole and put on a thicker touring sole.

Another thing I discovered for those of you having pains in the front of your shins from your boots. If thee is a forward lean adjust in the boots bring it forward. It seems to take the pressure off your shins a little.
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How about using Touring boots in alpine bindings, is that possible? I really hate using alpine boots and I'm not a great skier so this might be a solution for me...
What do you not like about alpine boots? Getting into them? Walking around with them? Skiing with them? Perhaps the problem isn't alpine boots in general but your particular boots?

In any case, you might be able to make touring boots (AT) work in certain models of Salomon bindings (needs to have an adjustable toepiece). There may be other brands available as well.

Another option would be to use Marker Baron bindings which have the functionality for touring but are mainly designed for going downhill. You can use either an alpine boot or an AT boot in these bindings. These bindings are a little beefier than other AT bindings and could be used for resort-only skiing and never need to be used in the touring mode. Other brands of AT bindings (Naxo and Diamir) also have models that are pretty robust but are not ideal for resort-only skiing.

Regarding AT boots that would work with your existing alpine bindings there are a few of them that have interchangeable soles (AT or alpine) as Eire mentioned. Two that I can think of are the Garmont Adrenaline or the Black Diamond Factor.
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Old 08.01.2009, 16:02
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Re: escape the grey

The touring boots are great boots when you need to do long excursions on the snow.

they allow you to walk, hike, climb, cross country, and downhill ski.

Like this one for example.



If you want to do back country ski touring they are indeed great, have low flex index, you can switch between hard and soft flex and have and a more walkable sole.

But they are expensive, around 900 CHF for the boots, plus the cost of the ski bindings, and the service to change the bindings to your existant skis or probably you'd need new skis.

If you not intend to use them to to backcountry skiing but only slope skiing I think they would be underused and overpriced.

If your problem is that the ski boots are too stiff and not walkable, there are models on the market that have low flex indexes and more walkable soles.

Those models are usually the less expensive alpine boots available with prices around CHF 250 on the shops and can be found on sale at 100-155 CHF.

For example my friend got her boots from ricardo, new, still in box and with the tags on, Salomon Performa 5 ( Flex 55-60 ) for only CHF 60.- The performa 5 have also selectable walking/sking flex



The current salomon model that replaced the Performa line is the Mission line.

You have Mission 4 and Mission 5 avaliable at Manor, SportXX etc for under CHF 250.-




The higher the flex index the boot has, the stiffer is and normally the soles have less or no gummi inserts for walking. Those are made for performance and are harder to pilot, but give you better control of your skis. And normally those are the most expensive too. ( from 600 -900 CHF ) With flex values from 70 to 120.

The ski boots are indeed the steering device of the ski kit.

And in general the lower the flex index, the most confort and walkable soles and the less control you have. and viceversa
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Old 08.01.2009, 16:19
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The touring boots are great boots when you need to do long excursions on the snow.

they allow you to walk, hike, climb, cross country, and downhill ski.

Like this one for example.



If you want to do back country ski touring they are indeed great, have low flex index, you can switch between hard and soft flex and have and a more walkable sole.

But they are expensive, around 900 CHF for the boots, plus the cost of the ski bindings, and the service to change the bindings to your existant skis or probably you'd need new skis.
I see you are speaking from years of experience here Salsa. The boot you are showing is nowhere near 900CHF, in fact it costs less then 600CHF and can be got even cheaper then that if you shop around. I payed even less then the price shown on the link for that exact model last week.

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If you not intend to use them to to backcountry skiing but only slope skiing I think they would be underused and overpriced.

If your problem is that the ski boots are too stiff and not walkable, there are models on the market that have low flex indexes and more walkable soles.

Those models are usually the less expensive alpine boots available with prices around CHF 250 on the shops and can be found on sale at 100-155 CHF.

For example my friend got her boots from ricardo, new, still in box and with the tags on, Salomon Performa 5 ( Flex 55-60 ) for only CHF 60.- The performa 5 have also selectable walking/sking flex
Thats all well and good if you know exactly what you want, but I found the fit quite critical and just ordering off the internet could potentially leave you with a very uncomfortable pair of boots. A good shop will spend time with you measure your feet and find you the best most comfortable option that suits your feet. Also you pay for quality, good alpine boots can cost nearly as much as touring boots, I have found touring boots for as little as 380CHF and Alpine boots for over 600CHF. With such products I would rather pay a little more and ensure that I got the correct stuff rather then have to put it for sale within a week of having purchased it.


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The current salomon model that replaced the Performa line is the Mission line.

You have Mission 4 and Mission 5 avaliable at Manor, SportXX etc for under CHF 250.-

The higher the flex index the boot has, the stiffer is and normally the soles have less or no gummi inserts for walking. Those are made for performance and are harder to pilot, but give you better control of your skis.

The ski boots are indeed the steering device of the ski kit.
In my opinion, and I am not an expert skier (infact have only skied a handfull of times) many people get cought up on outright performance. With a lot of sports for the average participant comfort and performance are linked. If you are uncomfortable you can't perform well. I would rather have something that works well for me and get a high percentage of the capable performance out of it, then have something that is a professional standard where I can only get a fraction of the performace and end up not doing the sport because it is too difficult or too uncomfortable.
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Old 08.01.2009, 16:54
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Re: escape the grey

That's right.

For that reason my advice is that you could get the Performa 5 or 4 now on the sales markets for under 100 or this year's Mission line for ~250 and have a comfortable boot for once a week skiing.

No need to pay 900 or 500 or 300 for touring boots plus bindings ( some 200 more ? ) , new skis etc. specially bought from an online web site.

Just go to the shops and try the boots on. You'll know which one you like for walking right on.

But you'll not know how performs while skiing until you are at the slopes.

See I have two pair of boots

1 Performa 5 has dual flex 65-70 for walk and ski, large gummi pads, it is easy to walk on them and comfortable enough to ski easy slopes. Paid 100 for them at the Manor on final sale.

But when I descend the steeper slopes where you need to do short turns, I find them inestable and feel I am loosing control compared to the second boots

I got a pair of Salomon Equipe Race 10 Junior, Flex 90, Yes they are junior but are my size ( junior runs from 32 to 43 1/3 ). I got them for CHF 120 on final sale at the SportXX at the end of the season 2 years ago. They don't have any rubber padding, are stiff and narrow compared to the Performas, ( same size ). The juniors are great for me because they are narrower ( I have narrow feet ) and also have less flex than the adult ones ( The Salomon Race 10 adult has Flex 100 ).

With them you can feel more control on your turns, you can precisely direct where you go and don't feel inestable on the steeper slopes and short turns.

But, when I use them I am tired faster, because it demands me more strenght to flex them. With the Performas I can ski all day long, with the Salomon Race i am tired at the middle of the day.

You don't have to be "an expert" to feel it, it is simply quite evident, and sure if you are and advanced skier and go much faster than me, the difference in feel and control would be even biger.

So, I paid 220 CHF for my 2 pairs boots that I can alternate according to my mood and fitness level of that day and If I get better surely the Salomon Race will be more adapted to my skill than the others.
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Re: escape the grey

My favorite skiing slogan (aheemm, as a Telemarker-naturally) is: "free the heel, ski for real."

Of course, my AT collegues counter with comments such as: Telemark is French for: "wait up guys."

Then I jab back with: "Randonee is French for can't Telemark"

Naturally we all take the **** out of Snowboarders; every skiers scapegoat...

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My favorite skiing slogan (aheemm, as a Telemarker-naturally) is: "free the heel, ski for real."

Of course, my AT collegues counter with comments such as: Telemark is French for: "wait up guys."

Then I jab back with: "Randonee is French for can't Telemark"

Naturally we all take the **** out of Snowboarders; every skiers scapegoat...

Be careful, you'll have Salsa Lover running off to buy Telemark ski's before he has a chance to find out if he likes it or not. Then he'll have to figure out what flex one needs in a telemark boot and what different kinds of bindings he needs, instead of just getting out there and doing it.

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Since it's brass monkeys out there and hastened snowed so everything is pretty hardpacked I'm thinking about going X-country skate skiing this weekend. Proabably Lenzerheide and probably Sauturday, if anyone fancies joining me. I had some lessons last year but am still at the 'ugly duckling with sniffs of swan' stage.

Here's the link to the webcam http://www.lenzerheide.com/sites/wet...lauf_lenz.html
If I have time to fetch some skis beforehand I might join you on Saturday. Will drop you a line for some deets
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Re: escape the grey

Trying Aerosa this year for a few days later in the month and just wondering whether snow chains are a must as we intend to drive.

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