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Re: Running shoes advice

what was the problem with the vibram 5Fs?
I prefer the direct to VFs change rather than a gradual transition option but I don't have flat feet, a history of niggles & injuries or have been advised to use highly stability shoes so the change, unlike my hubby who is going for the more gradual route. He's gone for the merrell gloves and so far really likes them.

Innovate seem to suggest you work your way down their line reducing cushioning as you go. That approach relies heavily on you doing something different yourself rather than the shoe encouraging a different way of running.

I hate all the Nike minimalist options, they make my insole heart unlike the V5Fs which I was able to wear for 2 hrs within the first week. I think its the thickness of the soles but maybe they work for some people/feet?
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Old 09.06.2011, 20:57
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what was the problem with the vibram 5Fs?
I don't know really what caused the problem with the vibrams, but I got very sore achilles and shinebones. I had to pause for some weeks, so I am a bit nervous now going back to use them.
(I do have flat feet though, and probably not enough strength... )


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I hate all the Nike minimalist options, they make my insole heart unlike the V5Fs which I was able to wear for 2 hrs within the first week.
Ok, thank you for the feedback - then rather not, I will remove him from my list.
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Old 09.06.2011, 21:32
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Innovate seem to suggest you work your way down their line reducing cushioning as you go. That approach relies heavily on you doing something different yourself rather than the shoe encouraging a different way of running.
Inov-8 actually has a transition shoe designed for women in their Road-X series. It's the Road-X 238 and I think it would be worth checking out. The next step down in their line is a Road-X 233 or F-Lite 230. Their transition approach encourages a gradual adjustment of muscles and tendons (that have gotten adjusted to a high running shoe heel) while the new technique is developed.

I agree on the Nike options -- I tossed my Nike Frees!

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I see this so often with more and more people trying to transition to barefoot/forefoot/natural/etc. running without any skill work or instruction. Technique has to be part of the transition and for most people that requires a change that the shoe itself can't force. So many people slip on V5Fs and try to run on their toes or forefoot and end up with a new set up injuries. There was an article on this very topic today in the NY Times: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/0...-run-barefoot/ It closed with the very good comment "On this point, he and all of the scientists agree. Humans may have been built to run barefoot, “but we did not evolve to run barefoot with bad form.”'
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Re: Running shoes advice

I like my typo

In that case before you go down either road I suggest the following strength training for your lower legs.

Toe tapping (fast tapping of the forefoot like you see nervous people doing only faster) - this is against shin splints and relax your feet when you do run you're maybe holding unnecessary tension.

calf raises off a step (forefoot is on the step, raise up and lower) and for extra sophistication you go up slow and down fast. This is training the soft tissue structures to absorb under increasing load thereby making it more resilient.

Do both until you feel fatigue, rest and repeat.
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Re: Running shoes advice

I have ever run putting my heel down, I thought that you were supposed to land softly on your mid to front foot?

I would mix up the terrain, put some clambering in so that the foot is being exercised fully and not pounded. I know I use my toes a lot while hiking. We were always big believers in using our toes, like fingers to pick things up. it feels good too.

I don't know if this blog helps:

http://www.navyseals.com/forums/show...=161662&page=2
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Old 10.06.2011, 00:19
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I have ever run putting my heel down, I thought that you were supposed to land softly on your mid to front foot?
Absolutely, the landing is at the forefoot.

Thanks for sharing that discussion on navyseals.com -- very happy to see it.

I should mention that I'm a The Pose Method® certified running coach. I've also trained with the SEAL guys that started the navyseals.com forum and completed their 50-hour Kokoro challenge last December, where we rucked and ran in boots quite a bit (during a simulation of Hell Week). Great people and also a very good resource for training advice (overall conditioning, mental toughness, CrossFit and SEALFIT, etc.).

As mentioned in that thread, the heel needs to kiss the ground. People get into trouble when they try to "toe run" and prevent the heel from making contact. Also, a key concept to get right is the pull (pulling the foot up toward the hip).

As this topic is gathering a lot of interest lately, I decided to post and share some of the training videos I've made for clients. While it's very difficult to teach and learn running "virtually", I hope the videos are a helpful start for people trying to transition to a natural running style. All links are safe for work/home:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51S7MwGY6cc

There are 5 videos in total. You can freely view them from my coaching channel.
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In that case before you go down either road I suggest the following strength training for your lower legs. [...]
Great, thank you for the tips.


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As this topic is gathering a lot of interest lately, I decided to post and share some of the training videos I've made for clients. While it's very difficult to teach and learn running "virtually", I hope the videos are a helpful start for people trying to transition to a natural running style. All links are safe for work/home:

There are 5 videos in total. You can freely view them from my coaching channel.
Cheers for uploading those videos, very useful.

If anyone would like to start 'barefoot' running, have a look at those vids...
(I've done the wall exercise this morning, and noticed that's probably where my running technique was wrong.)
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Re: Running shoes advice

If you have a neutral approach then go with anything Saucony.. I have the pro grid 3 and they are the best running shoes I've ever had. Otherwise, also Brooks are a good brand. The only important thing that you must remember is to go to a shop with competent staff that can give you professional advice on what to buy. I would discard any shop that don't let you test the shoe in a treadmill..
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If you have a neutral approach then go with anything Saucony.. I have the pro grid 3 and they are the best running shoes I've ever had. Otherwise, also Brooks are a good brand. The only important thing that you must remember is to go to a shop with competent staff that can give you professional advice on what to buy. I would discard any shop that don't let you test the shoe in a treadmill..
That, in my opinion, is the best post on this thread.
I've been running marathons, half marathons, mountain races and adventure races for over 30 years now.
I've tried many different shoes and found Saucony to be far and away the best for road racing and Brooks. to be the best for trail running.
Try them on in a shop and then when you know the size is right - buy mail order - save yourself a lot of money.
Only problem is finding a shop that sells them.
Brooks are particularly good for motion control (I.e. If you are an over pronater).
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Re: Running shoes advice

I can't recommend more Markus Gattinger (http://www.laufsport-lehrer.de/) in Singen, Germany, as a person to purchase running shoes from. As advised by experienced runners, I brought my old shoes, and Markus watched me running in them, asked what time of the day do I normally run, and suggested me 5 pairs of shoes which would help me with my pronation problem. Not only I've run all 5 suggestions, but I've run almost all combinations "right Saucony, left Nike", and befor stopping on the last I have finally taken, he made me run extra two blocks, although I was already tired, sweaty and hungry He doesn't trade TV-ad type ad shoes, but mostly less familiar to normal people, but known among runners brands. Not only he spent a whole hour with me, but the shoes costed me only 120 euro! Can't wait for the proper running weather to start!
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I can't recommend more Markus Gattinger (http://www.laufsport-lehrer.de/) in Singen, Germany, as a person to purchase running shoes from. As advised by experienced runners, I brought my old shoes, and Markus watched me running in them, asked what time of the day do I normally run, and suggested me 5 pairs of shoes which would help me with my pronation problem. Not only I've run all 5 suggestions, but I've run almost all combinations "right Saucony, left Nike", and befor stopping on the last I have finally taken, he made me run extra two blocks, although I was already tired, sweaty and hungry He doesn't trade TV-ad type ad shoes, but mostly less familiar to normal people, but known among runners brands. Not only he spent a whole hour with me, but the shoes costed me only 120 euro! Can't wait for the proper running weather to start!
Thank you so very much for this advice. I keep having problems with my knees and all my friends (in other countries) keep telling me to get tested and get special trainers "for me", but in Zurich I have no idea where to go, and the thought of Zurich prices is also something that I dread...

So will try this guy, thanks so much!!
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Re: Running shoes advice

There is a lot of controversy in everything that is related to health and fitness. And the worst this you can do to your body is to try out every single new trend without a question.


The best approach is to listen to what your own body tells you. And if it tells you the opposite from the new trend, there is nothing to be surprised about. The data produced by various studies is intended to be interpreted by health and fitness professionals, not by journalists, what happens a bit too often.


I do strongly believe in specialized shoes for the reasons of physics: when lifting weight I need stability instead of amortization, and when running or jumping, I do not want the full amount of impact shock to be absorbed by my knees and spine. There are numerous arguments whether your knees and spine can take that shock or not, but I prefer them not to, therefore wear something with good amortization. I do not believe in good-for-all shoes, because they do not absorb the shock as well for running, and do not provide you with complete stability while lifting, what sounds to me like a good recipe for injury.

I have two pairs of Asics Gel-Kayano for running shoes and a pair of lifting shoes that cover all my fitness-related activities. Asics Gel-Kayano are by far the most absorbing and comfortable shoes that I ever tried, and they are great for wide feet (I also have flat feet), but they would be too wide for someone with narrow feet. I have run half-marathon 6 times back in the days, in various models of Nikes and Adidas (do not remember the models) and developed blisters. These brands might be better for narrower feet.
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Re: Running shoes advice

Hi,

I'm wearing Nike air max for more than a year now and I am very happy with them. It has an incredible support to the sole of the feet and the ankles, and you feel like running on air. I think it lets you to walk/run longer than you can. Its little bit pricey but definitely worth it. I bought the second pair last month, just because there is a wide selection of colors thats also very nice.
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