I can only make Saturday, I've posted the event here.

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My argument is simple, if you spend the same amount of time going uphill as you do on the flat, you will burn more calories going uphill generally. Of course, it is easier to do longer rides that are flat, thus overall you will probably burn more calories if you do a 4 hour flat ride than if you climb up Mount Ventoux in 2+ hours.

Quit trying to justify why you do certain things, and quit giving dodgy advice to others and just do what you enjoy and enjoy what you do.

Surprise, surprise.

Fair point, well made!

As far as I recollect and understand of this now very long and splitting thread, someone just said he wants to lose weight and therefore prefers to do flats. Someone else specifically asked for the rationale behind it, and only then did we end up exchanging thoughts on the matter. "quit giving dodgy advice"? all very confusing to me now. Apparently he enjoys doing flats, and that is what he does in this season, so I guess it is settled now?

"Of course, it is easier to do longer rides that are flat, thus overall you will probably burn more calories if you do a 4 hour flat ride than if you climb up Mount Ventoux in 2+ hours."
Well, that is the point I made some 20 posts ago by giving the analogy of sprinting briefly vs jogging steadily...just shows the thread is getting way too long now.

The reason I asked for the rational is because there was none. I am a sports scientist and the rational given by Salsa Lover simply does not cut the mustard. That is why I challenged it. He is welcome to just ride the flats if he want to, just his reasoning behind it was flawed.

You comparison of jogging/sprinting 20 posts ago is not the same thing. your comparison is more like doing intervals on the flat which is different to steady state exercise on a hill or on the flat. To climb effectively it is nothing comparable to a sprint as it requires steady long term power.

I'm no sports scientist (so thanks to Eire for the explanations) but I don't think you have to be to see how silly this argument is? What next, downhill better than flat?

Well for mountain biking maybe you're onto something!... But that's a whole other thread... and may involve me being referred to as a "daredevil"!

I agree it is a stupid argument...but I have learned alot of interesting information here especially from Eire, so in the end it is worthwhile. I am just having a bit of fun with Salsa... he understands that I hope.

Personally, I would like to see Salsa do more climbing on his bike, I think he would realize how much fun it is to be high in the hills or the mountains of Switzerland on a bike and getting there on your power gives you a great sense of achievement. I have personally been a bit shall we say dissappointed with Salsa's giving up easily when the challenge gets harder on the few rides I have been on with him and I want him to do it as I know he can and he would really like it when he did. But I will get over this, and let Salsa be Salsa. So the history explains some of my over top negativity towards Salsa. Hugs?

no doping please, we all are clean living sportsmen here

I'm glad to see somebody from the outside see clear the subject, thanks.

But don't be annoyed by that.

It is just that Eire ( & Co ) have his little feud against me and follows me anywhere in the forum with it.

Me I just don't care, he's harmless anyway.

I do my sports for my own fitness and enjoyment, and am plenty happy with it. And that is the only thing that matters

Totally agree, have a fun year pushing it hard on the flats.

I'll be doing my ZH-Samstagern-ZH to go to work at least once a week dakman.

I just don't like the steep climbs like the one you took me on....

Boy, I hope this is not true...

It is true - "I have a dream..."
It would be great if we can have several regular group rides going on this summer. This is how it was where we used to live - of course there are fewer of us here in Zurich, but still I am amazed by how many cyclists we seem to have on this forum.

I am planning on putting the weekly (hilly! ) Thursday night ride on the calendar soon, probably starting in mid-April as Eire mentioned - since it was so much fun last year. Of course I welcome anyone else who would like to organize rides so we can have multiple options.

And Yokine just pointed out to me - It seems about time for a Pre-Season Cyclist Social (where we can get together and talk about biking, & of course bike gear ... and skiing, which always seems to edge its way into the conversations), and I agree - So I am thinking of putting this on the calendar for Wednesday April 8th.... Stay tuned... (Now you guys can get back to all your calories/speed/hills vs flats debates... I just wanna ride my bike! )

Me too, but its just started snowing again!

Can someone please summarize this thread as to the following:

- What if any rides are organized on Saturday March 21 and Sunday March 22?

Dakman- sorry to read you moved away, happy riding in the US

It appears that this is the only organised ride that is going on.