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Old 19.11.2009, 10:20
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video replay would be useless (slow, affect the game play) but the extra goal-line officials as in the Europa League would have resulted in this blatant and deliberate handball being seen.
Slow? The tv channels have it up in 2 seconds. It works in all other sports, and could be used sparingly for situations exactly like this. You could go the way of Canadian football or hockey where each team is allowed 2 video replays per games. Football needs it badly. Too many games are decided by questionable goals these days. There are also way too many false off-sides. But otherwise, you are right, why aren't there permanent fixed linesmen at the goal line; would be so easy.

In the end, it's the ref and linesman who failed. There's no point arguing whether Henry was deliberate; the fact remains it's up the officials to get it right.

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Old 19.11.2009, 10:22
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video replay would be useless (slow, affect the game play) but the extra goal-line officials as in the Europa League would have resulted in this blatant and deliberate handball being seen.
Not so sure about this. In the time all the protests and arguments had settled down, a replay could have been quickly consulted and a decision made.
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Old 19.11.2009, 10:26
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Re: (Cheating) French Football Player

Make them play the match again... with Henry's hands tied behind his back
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Old 19.11.2009, 10:26
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Who had the final decision?
If you RTFM, you'll find that the referee always has the final decision.

Anyway, it's only a game.
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Old 19.11.2009, 10:27
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Re: (Cheating) French Football Player

Players cheat all the time - diving just being one example.. Players that feign injury to get others sent off I have no respect for.

Henry made a split second decision, yes he cheated, but it's up to the officials to spot blatant fouls like this..

Gutted that we didn't make it through, but it's not Henry's fault...
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video replay would be useless (slow, affect the game play) but the extra goal-line officials as in the Europa League would have resulted in this blatant and deliberate handball being seen.
do it like tennis. Allow only 2 review requests per team per game. I can't imagine the 4th official taking more than 1 minute to review the incident. The time lost can easily be added into the additional minutes at the end of the 45 minutes.

In addition they should also punish players after the game if there is clear evidence. They are already using video evidence to review dangerous tackles etc. . This should stop players from keeping mum about it during the match (i.e., it would at least encourage Henry to at least tell the referee immediately).
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In the end, it's the ref and linesman who failed. There's no point arguing whether Henry was deliberate; the fact remains it's up the officials to get it right.
There is no argument - it was deliberate and he has admitted it.

The replay technology is not quite as easy to fit into football because the appeal of the game is the freeflowing nature of it. To take this example, the ball was lofted forward and henry handballed it, controlled it and squared it across and they scored. Then you could use technology to disallow it.

But take it a little further and you can see how complex it becomes. Say Henry controls it and squares it across and its a goal line clearance. The balls still in play so you cant stop the game to look at that action as it would make football daft as it is all about momentum and movement unlike things like american football etc. So you keep the game flowing, there's about 30 seconds of action and then they score.

So, do we disallow it ? how far back are you looking ? I'm not saying its not possible - rugby does it fairly well - but the flow of football is one of its key elements.

Goal line technology for whether the ball has crossed the line for sure and electronic stuff for offsides would be a nice intro, but the fourth referee while a great idea, will need lots of thought to be implemented without spoiling the game.

On the other hand - as france have shown - we need to do something...
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Old 19.11.2009, 10:28
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Re: (Cheating) French Football Player

Because its Ireland FIFA wont do anything. Sorry, but if it happens to England, France or Italy maybe then FIFA will wake up. I think something like 2 video referals per team per match should be allowed
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Re: (Cheating) French Football Player

I wonder how many more such incidents will be required in order for the football governing bodies to introduce refereeing methods that are appropriate in this day and age. But maintaining the glorious uncertainty of the game, including through lottery-style turn of fates thanks to present-day refereeing, is essential to keep crowds fired up and emotional about this sport.
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Anyway, it's only a game.
or a career, if your a player.
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Anyway, it's only a game.
Err... no... there is the economy side of it. Not sure if a country gets paid to be in the world cup like teams in the champions league, but for sure there is a lot of money lost if Ireland didn't go.
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Not so sure about this. In the time all the protests and arguments had settled down, a replay could have been quickly consulted and a decision made.
looking towards a consistent approach at many levels, video replay is not practical.

It might work for Arsenal but might be harder for Scunthorpe
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Old 19.11.2009, 10:35
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Err... no... there is the economy side of it. Not sure if a country gets paid to be in the world cup like teams in the champions league, but for sure there is a lot of money lost if Ireland didn't go.
It's still only a game.
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It's still only a game.
or still a career, if your a player.
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Re: (Cheating) French Football Player

oh and reply or goal line officials would have confirmed Anekla dived for the possible penalty (and the ref got it right).
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Because its Ireland FIFA wont do anything. Sorry, but if it happens to England, France or Italy maybe then FIFA will wake up. I think something like 2 video referals per team per match should be allowed
Has anyone done a study of controversial decisions at the international level of football and compared the referee's decision with the available video evidence and then taken into account who were the teams playing at the time?
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Re: (Cheating) French Football Player

What goes around comes around! I hope france are out in the first round!
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Re: (Cheating) French Football Player

Like last time go all the way to final and lose to brazil or spain

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What goes around comes around! I hope france are out in the first round!
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Like last time go all the way to final and lose to brazil or spain
you mean like in Euro 2008?
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Re: (Cheating) French Football Player

no.. world cup 2006 when they lost to Italy

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