Swiss People's Party politician Barbara Steinemann has shot back at critics of her plan to launch an initiative calling for social welfare statistics to reflect whether a Swiss is native or naturalized.

Read the full article: Minaret ban mastermind rejects Nazi tag

I thought we were all African.

Once.

Useless, The Local can't even get it right to serve the best bits...

Excerpt from Tages Anzeiger, only slightly out of context:
"Die Schweiz hat keine Nazivergangenheit. Wir waren immun."
(Switzerland has no Nazi past. We were immune. - sorry doesn't translate properly I think..)

S'what I thought too before I grew up...

I can see The Local is learning from the best with such headlines...

Presumably the cut-off point for how far back they go in your personal history will be just before Blocher's family moved to CH?

Remarkable how few pictures are available showing Nazi groups parading around Zurich.

Yet they exist.

Searching for Wilhelm Gustloff will lead to this and this assassinated person.

SWC

Far Right CH

James S

Fresh air and flatulent cows

Next time you're in Zug, do pop into Metalli shopping mall and take a look at the security guards. Booted skinheads that might as well have SS tattooed on their neanderthal brows.

I found the next comment from both the journalist and her quite enteraining as well:

SVP: Switzerland has no Nazi past. We were immune.

Journalist: Not quite. The jewish stamp for example was a Swiss invention.

SVP: Again: In my motion it is just about statistically collecting data of both categories. And then went on to repeat what she said what the motion is for.

I really enjoy when politicians make BS claims and journalists call them out on it.

The lady stated "only served to distract from the fact that new citizens were over-represented in crime statistics"

There is actually no evidence of this because these statistics are not collected; it is a complete fabrication by the lady in question

Here is a general rule: any time something is published in the tabloid The Local about what some SVP figure did or said, it would be wise to visit the original source instead of trusting The Local's coverage. Such trust is misplaced.

Here is the actual quote from the interview:

This actual statement, rather than the tabloid mis-translation, is rooted in fact. Either Swiss are either extremely law abiding compared to immigrants or they are much more skilled at talking their way out of criminal charges than the immigrants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_i...nt_criminality

Title is stupid though. The guy who banned Minarets didnt kill anyone. Would have been better to have the title read: "Minaret ban mastermind rejects Saudi Arabian tag"....... The term Nazi, despite having funny and dramatic connotations in America, is quiet offensive in Europe because Nazis murdered allot.

He didnt kill anyone. He simply decided to play the Saudi Game of outlawing competing religions.

Yes but it is comparing 1st generation foreigners against 3rd generation foreigners. It says nothing about how naturalised Swiss are compared to 'real Swiss' whatever that is.

Zuger I agree the Nazi accusation is a very strong one. I just wanted to point out though that she's not being called that because of the minaret ban, rather because of her motion to start differentiating between 'real Swiss' and the naturalised Swiss. This has drawn comparisons to the Germans being categorised by being Aryan or non-Aryan by the Nazis.



Now while the Nazi tag may be harsh, I do feel legitimate concerns should be raised about this plan. Runderwo claimed that statistic supported the SVP's claims. Well it could be argued that it does exactly the opposite. I couldn't find any stats for it so I could be wrong but I'm assuming most naturalisations are from 1st generation foreigners and second generation foreign children. This stat says it's not them who we should worry about though rather when the kids grow up and their children and grand children which kind of puts us back at square one. How long should we document who is a 'real Swiss' and who is a 'paper Swiss'?

I also think differentiating between two classes of Swiss also slows integration and identification with the country and also one should be concerned of the politics which the SVP could start when they've got numbers. To get things rolling there as already been preliminary suggestions that the country should have a Swiss passport on probation for 5 years for newly naturalised Swiss.....

Did you actually read the article you linked to?

I quote " immigrants from Germany, France and Austria had a significantly lower crime rate than Swiss citizens"
Can you explain in 3 sentences how this aligns with your generic statement "Swiss are either extremely law abiding compared to immigrants or..."

Aslo where do you get your statement that criminiality in second or 3rd generation incomers is higher than first generation is rooted in fact.
There is nothing on this in the article you quote; where did you get this fact?

Anyway the figures you quote are completely distorted by the inclusion of foreign crime visitors who are not resident here.
In both 2010 & 2011 there were more "Foreign nationals without residence" held in prison for pre-trial than the total of the Swiss, foreigners with residence & aslyum seekers held for the same reason.
http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/e...hungshaft.html

Second & third generation commit more crimes than the first... is she meaning Blocher

New rule: If "you" need a comparison with Saudi Arabia as a starting point for justifying your actions, "you" might want to rethink what you are doing.

Or the Justice system is institutionally racist. It's not a, er, black or white issue.

I was just telling the main breeding female in our household how I hate these Nazi tags as she ironed my brown shirts and sent all the blond kids off to Kindergarten early this morning. Then I sat down to watch my favorite movie "When Aryan met Sally" ....

People like svp and their equivalents elsewhere seem to mistake cause and effect when they seek to use crime statistics. We all knew that already, it's human nature we can tell when someone is being selective on what they say about a topic. The more interesting statistics would be correlations between immigration and income, and then correlations between income and crime. Like many countries, Switzerland should be thanking immigrants for doing the lower paid crapper jobs.

That should be crappier, I believe ...

The Portugese now do what the Italians have done before and there are no doubt folk from other nations willing to step up when they become affluent and pickier. Switzerland is no different than any other western European nation, we just don't have the hordes from a collapsed colony (sounds like a medical condition).