An argovian woman of 64 years has given birth to a baby some times ago.
She went to Russia to have done the necessary stuff as it's forbidden in Europe. (her hubby is a 60 years banker)

What the hell do they think ? it's probably the most selfish thing I can imagine.

What do you think ?

Yup! Another rich-bitch wanting a trophy kid to show around.
Sounds like she is cramming it for the finals.
64? She will be 84 when her child is 20.

Stuff likes this makes me a bit sick... if nature had intended us to have babies at 64 then we would be able to without needing medical treatment. 45, ok that's do-able with healthier lifestyles and increased lifespans... but much over that and you are entering into the realms of selfishness. How can you expect to give a child a normal life when you'll be too old to do all the normal things parents do while the kid is still in its teens? Very sad.

That's just not cool. Poor kid

Selfish from the "new" parents and from their doctors.

It is a bit selfish but also a tad demented, with fertility assistance I am guessing this woman has increased her risk of developing breast cancer, and more immediate risks that I won't even go into...She will be lucky if she lives to 84 as someone pointed out when her kid will be 20...this is sort of a childish behavior. I do understand the fact she wants to be a mother, but at what cost?

Hey, give me a break. Gay couple may adopt child in some countries and this is obviously not what the nature planned for. Why now are you bothered by this? Funny logic.

who cares, at least the kid will get a nice inheritance and have a great time blowing it on strippers and coke in his 20s

Apples and oranges.

While I tend to agree that it isn't what "nature planned", that is, as Yacek correctly points out, not a valid argument anymore.

Medical concerns - as pointed out by Angela - and Yacek's example aside - which is a highly charge topic in itself - there are plenty of other things that we do in life that are not as "nature planned".

I can think of other more selfish things, than giving a child a life.

Bit harsh.

I am assuming that they are rich enough to be able to provide the child a good life from a financial point of view (though tbh haven't read an article on the topic - where's the link Bertrand?). As for psychological, there's plenty of people with older parents around, who are not that much younger than the couple here.

There's also a huge hypocrisy going on in society. When men have children in their 60s, there may be an eyebrow raised, but generally it is "still going strong, flagpole still flying, macho etc. etc.". But for women, there's this "OMG it is sick, deviant etc." reaction.

Unfair criticism in this case, without further information on this couple's situation...

True, they may have discovered the secret of eternal youth and thus may no get sickly and die before the child reaches 20... and until this is confirmed then we shall have to reserve judgement.

For all you know, they may have been trying for children for 40 years and this was their last shot.

Hell, if you want to play by "nature intended" rules, then stop treating people for cancer, cancel IVF programmes and start walking everywhere.

I have to agree with Carlos R, but I just can't grasp why a person would put herself through such a risky procedure (due to her age of course) to have a child...don;t get me wrong I do understand the "calling to be a mother" but if you risk not being here for your offspring then why do it?

So, if the woman having this baby were of "normal birthing age" but was diagnosed with some incurable disease and "certain" to die within the next 20 years, would you feel the same?


Plenty of children who have "unfit" parents for one reason or another are raised by grandparents in their 60s so I don't see what ultimate difference this makes for the child. For the woman's health, what she went through in order to GET pregnant at that age maybe... for the child, not so much.

It's a case of where should the line be drawn, I have one or two issues with a gay adoption but I can get my head around it.
This is the first generation where it is widely accepted and time will tell us if gay adoption is the way to go, it's an experiment in sociology.
Forcing a pregnancy at 64 is stretching my views on tolerance a bit too far, I know it can happen by accident a 64 and even an older woman can get "in the way" but it is generally not advisable.
Roughly said: "She had her chance and blew it"

Fnarr, *snigger

Thats completely different and you know it. There's an unwitting childs life in the balance, and regardless of what anyone says... by being too old to properly play with an active and energetic child (Running around at 75? Yeah, sure), and potentially dying when the child is in his teens, they are not doing it ANY favours. I dont see how anyone can argue against that, and all these comparisons to saving someone from cancer are just, well, silly really.

What on earth has that made-up scenario got to do with the OP.

Looking at this practically, at least the sprog won't have to be picked up for feeding, as I'd imagine that mom's breasts will be about 12 inches off the floor.

I had my first baby when I was 31. At 31 it's an incredibly tiring and stressful job. At 64, how much more tiring will it be? She will most probably will have (a lot of) help taking care of the baby but what about when the baby gets older? Just running around dancing and playing with my toddler is quite an aerobic exercise so what's this woman going to do? Just sit around and watch while the carers entertain her kid?

Not sure what being gay has to do with what you said. Adoption is adoption! If a child does not have parents for whatever reason then they deserve a chance, and if adoption is against nature then nature is wrong. A child needs a loving caring family to bring it up and give it a decent environment and not be left to tough it out in an institution.

So why did you single out adoption by a loving, stable, same sex couple?

I wonder what it will be like with this old couple doing the three legged race at the school sports day. I wonder if they will be able to help the child with their maths homework. I wonder if they will be able to still drive and go and get their child from after school club when the kid is 12. I wonder if everything will be done by a constantly changing succession of underpaid servants.