Val d'Anniviers Airplane Crash * update * - Page 2

#21 12.02.2011, 13:48

Just an update about the crash. Causes are still unknown.

with the pilot was a whole family.

Father, mother and 2 kids.

Angela-74 · #22 12.02.2011, 16:44

	Quote:	Bertrand - Geneva
	Just an update about the crash. Causes are still unknown. with the pilot was a whole family. Father, mother and 2 kids.

Gee that is indeed too sad

TiMow · #23 12.02.2011, 17:38

	Quote:	Wollishofener
	But back to the topic, the height above sea-level in aviation, and particularily in aircraft accident is a top important factor.

Good point, [and I am not intending to be pedantic or flippant (for once), under the tragic circumstances], but in the case of the Swiss accident - when not flying in category A airspace, but flying over mountainous terrain, height above ground level (AGL), is of even more importance, and relies on accurate navigation, as well as maintaining visual contact with the terrain, when possible. [I don't know if the pilot was flying under visual flight rules (VFR), or instrument flight rules (IFR)?].

But whatever comes out in the investigation, it is tragic that a family is wiped out, in what was probably meant to be a fun day out.

#24 12.02.2011, 17:56

Names are now known. the *father* was the manager of the French Endurance Team RAC 41 (motoracing).

Shorrick Mk2 · #25 12.02.2011, 18:12

	Quote:	TiMow
	, but in the case of the Swiss accident - when not flying in category A airspace, but flying over mountainous terrain, height above ground level (AGL), is of even more importance, and relies on accurate navigation, as well as maintaining visual contact with the terrain, when possible. [I don't know if the pilot was flying under visual flight rules (VFR), or instrument flight rules (IFR)?].

No pilot in his right mind will fly IFR "through" the Alps. Especially if the purpose of the flight is sightseeing ^^

	Quote:	weejeem
	Perhaps it might help to explain that, typically, "The Book" says three approach attempts, and then it's time to head to (divert to) one's alternate (i.e. somewhee with better conditions). Was it similar to the private aircraft piling in in Switzerland - YES! Both were what is termed CFIT (Controlled Flight Into Terrain) - .

I don't know where you see similarities. Polish 101 and Cork were CFIT due to pilots pursuing non-precision approaches below MDH. Sion has no published instrument approach and they crashed nowhere near the approach path in fog but into the Weisshorn @FL120 or thereabouts in bright blue skies. And nothing says they were in control at that point either.

the_clangers · #26 12.02.2011, 18:21

	Quote:	Shorrick Mk2
	No pilot in his right mind will fly IFR "through" the Alps. Especially if the purpose of the flight is sightseeing ^^ Sion has no published instrument approach ...

Really? That is a pretty big airport for not having IFR facilities.
I'll keep that in mind. Thanks.

Shorrick Mk2 · #27 12.02.2011, 18:44

	Quote:	the_clangers
	Really? That is a pretty big airport for not having IFR facilities. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks.

It has a IGS procedure (similar to military PAR) as it is a military airfield. However the MDA is so high that in practical terms, if it's clouded in, it's pointless even trying. Also the approach slope is 6.0 and there's little in the way of big iron that can fly that profile. Very few airlines bother going there and approaches are VFR usually.