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Old 30.05.2011, 23:59
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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

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The law as it is serves the interests of Switzerland quite well. A "stricter version" would damage Swiss interests and so are NOT to be introduced. Just look at the ICRC where the "international committee" members tend to be Swiss nationals. These international organisations mean good business for Switzerland, and so have to be handled carefully and with due "tolerance".
Also, it's not as if Switzerland were spending millions of francs trying to host the World Cup. Lets put the blame for the corruption where it actually belongs---on FIFA rather than CH.
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Let's don't forget another important element in the equation. The swiss association law is way too laxist; it enables the FIFA, IOC and alikes to do whatever they want. A stricter version should be introduced even with the risk of having them flee under a more bribe-tolerant sky.
The law as it is serves the interests of Switzerland quite well. A "stricter version" would damage Swiss interests and so are NOT to be introduced. Just look at the ICRC where the "international committee" members tend to be Swiss nationals. These international organisations mean good business for Switzerland, and so have to be handled carefully and with due "tolerance".


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Please, are you that naive? Blatter is only innocent of not breaking FIFA's code of conduct, a code that he himself helped to write.

He has testified to the facts that he knew beforehand that Bin Hammam would be giving cash bribes whilst in the Caribbean; and that he decided not to say anything about it.

He has been cleared by the FIFA committee based on the judgement that because no actual bribe had taken place, there was no "duty to report".

Look at any other corruption legislation anywhere in the world, and you will find the wording to the effect that "if someone suspects, or has reason to suspect," etc etc "then that suspicion should be disclosed to the authorities"

Blatter had very good reason to suspect that bribes would be paid; he had been told directly that they would, by the person who paid the bribes.

1) he should have disclosed that fact immediately
2) the FIFA anti-corruption legislation that he wrote should have required him to disclose that fact immediately
3) I fail to see how anyone can have any confidence that he would not act in exactly the same way in future, having been exonerated of any wrong-doing for these actions
4) He cannot in good conscience re-write the anti-corruption legislation to require such a disclosure in future, as to do so is to acknowledge his own misdeeds in this case

His position is clearly untenable; either he has broken a code of ethics that FIFA should have been applying, or he is unable to re-write the FIFA code of ethics to clear the allegations of corruption being levelled at FIFA. Neither of those positions is one that should be held by the president and chief (sole?) decision maker of such a global organisation.
As he has established FIFA firmly in Zürich, his being "innocent" is vital for the business. Everybody I know regards him as the most corrupt person in Switzerland, but it is important that he succeeds to muddle through


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....wow..seriously? :jester :
Blatter has to be "innocent", as this is good for the business.


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Besides Qatar, the United States, and Australia, what other countries bid on the 2022 World Cup? Soccer is growing in popularity in this country, but to me it seems there is more outrage over New York (actually East Rutherford, NJ) hosting the 2014 Super Bowl than the U.S. losing the World Cup bid to Qatar.

The reason I ask is this---would there be more international outrage if it was revealed bribery influenced the selection of Russia for the 2018 World Cup over England and other European nations?
But Football of course in the USA is ways behind "American Football"


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Old 31.05.2011, 00:50
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The reason I ask is this---would there be more international outrage if it was revealed bribery influenced the selection of Russia for the 2018 World Cup over England and other European nations?
FIFA is known to be one corrupt lot. For decades. Why do you think the bid went to Russia? I am 100% sure it was not for the climate or the food... there would be zero outrage or surprise, everyone expects them to bribe.

The point is not the corruption at all - everyone knows that the Quatari are just as corrupt as Blatter. The current outrage is the way Blatter send his only serious enemy to Coventry... while getting full absolution for something that is somewhere between unethical to criminal by any normal standard... by an "ethics" board he filled with his own mates. It is overall just a bit too much...
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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

Didnt he do well last night eh? Hypocrisy is his middle name. To be able to utter in the same speech that he does not choose the members of the executive and that the problems will be resolved within the Fifa family was too much.

Pressure from the sponsors this morning is likely to be the most effective solution to this Fifa problem. But as Wollishofener says, they cannot have an implosion as the real facts will embarass way too many people.

Bring Platini in to sort the mess out and let Blatter retire to whichever island he and Jack have bought themselves in the Carribean .
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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

From the bits I heard on the radio [of the press conference last night], he was really struggling and sounded pretty awful.

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Blatter has to be "innocent", as this is good for the business.
I imagine this is a fairly common attitude around Zürich, but I wouldn't describe his performance at the press conference as good for business. I can't see them brushing this under the carpet now.
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Old 31.05.2011, 09:57
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The reason I ask is this---would there be more international outrage if it was revealed bribery influenced the selection of Russia for the 2018 World Cup over England and other European nations?
Last year: Leaked US cables describe Russia as "a rampantly corrupt, autocratic kleptocracy" run by a leader "amassing a massive secret fortune" in a "mafia state" based on "personal enrichment, protection for gangsters, extortion and kickbacks, suitcases full of money, a parallel tax system and bribery".
Last week: Vladimir Putin says he's "perplexed to see Mr Blatter accused ... it's complete rubbish. I would certainly vote for Mr Blatter."
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Old 31.05.2011, 10:23
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Besides Qatar, the United States, and Australia, what other countries bid on the 2022 World Cup? Soccer is growing in popularity in this country, but to me it seems there is more outrage over New York (actually East Rutherford, NJ) hosting the 2014 Super Bowl than the U.S. losing the World Cup bid to Qatar.

The reason I ask is this---would there be more international outrage if it was revealed bribery influenced the selection of Russia for the 2018 World Cup over England and other European nations?
Not really, we sort of assumed this was the case.

Besides, here are some reasons that Russia should have it, and Qatar shouldn't.

1. Population (and therefore # of football fans)
2. History of football
3. Valeriy Lobanovsky, Lev Yashin, Oleg Salenko
4. Winners of the European Championships and twice runners up (better record than England in international tournament, dare I add)

So, why not Russia, they seem like decent contenders with or without bribes.
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Old 31.05.2011, 13:43
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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

The FA have called for a postponement of the FIFA elections
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/...on-fa-bernstein

Good going, at least they are for once being pro-active and having a pop at Blatter instead of tamely sucking his c0ck


Also there is supposed to be a press conference scheduled for 2 O Clock with a whistleblower, I am sceptical myself.
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Old 31.05.2011, 14:24
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Also there is supposed to be a press conference scheduled for 2 O Clock with a whistleblower, I am sceptical myself.
Tempted to make a lame Pierluigi Collina gag (referee = whistleblower), but I'll refrain.

(or, more correctly, I made the connection and couldn't then be @rsed to think up an actual joke to build around it.)
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Old 31.05.2011, 14:42
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Tempted to make a lame Pierluigi Collina gag (referee = whistleblower), but I'll refrain.

(or, more correctly, I made the connection and couldn't then be @rsed to think up an actual joke to build around it.)
May I suggest you start with this and work it out from there...?

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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

Blatter is the Berlusconi of world football, and all the other nations of the world do a sexy dance in leather pants to encourage him to give them the world cup, but the Russians didn't even turn up. I can just imagine the clueless English; Cameron, Beckham, Prince William, all in S&M gear for Blatter's delight, and at the end the Russian gangsters and the shady Arab Aristocracy laughing over their martinis and Cuban cigars at the naive English who think the world runs on fair play, and not copious amounts of bribe money harvested from the blood of the underlings of their respective countries.
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May I suggest you start with this and work it out from there...?

I know who he is, hence why his name fits so well to the "whistleblower" (he's blowing a whistle, geddit?) but just having a punchline doesn't mean I have the whole joke... meh.

Back on-topic, it looks like Emirates Airlines have now joined Coca-Cola and Adidas in publicly stating that FIFA need to clean their act up... if those three pull the sponsorship plug (big if) then it could hit FIFA where it hurts - in the bank.

Mind you, I guess that sponsorship monies still falls a long way below bribes on their annual P&L
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I know who he is, hence why his name fits so well to the "whistleblower" (he's blowing a whistle, geddit?) but just having a punchline doesn't mean I have the whole joke... meh.
I know you know that. I was thinking something along the lines of;


Pierluigi says "Bugger off Blatter"
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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

I rather naively suggested yesterday that only concerted actions from multiple powerful football associations could lead to any real change at FIFA. I'd like to amend that by adding that concerted desertions from major sponsors could have even more effect:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...f-fifa?cc=5739

We now have Emirates, Coca-Cola, and Addidas raising a ruckus. Add in the English and Scottish FAs -- and I think the US and Aussie federations will soon follow -- and we may be approaching the required decibel level. This grows more and more interesting.

Also, I'm confident that Mr. Warner has a few more cards up his sleeves.
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I rather naively suggested yesterday that only concerted actions from multiple powerful football associations could lead to any real change at FIFA. I'd like to amend that by adding that concerted desertions from major sponsors could have even more effect:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...f-fifa?cc=5739

We now have Emirates, Coca-Cola, and Addidas raising a ruckus. Add in the English and Scottish FAs -- and I think the US and Aussie federations will soon follow -- and we may be approaching the required decibel level. This grows more and more interesting.

Also, I'm confident that Mr. Warner has a few more cards up his sleeves.

I still think it might require some noise from some more of the bigger football "big boys", like the German, Spanish and Italian FAs for example. Some people derided the FA for abstaining from the vote, yet it has transpired to be the default course of action if you don't want to support Blatter and there is no opposition. If the majority of FAs do not actually vote at all, what happens? Is there a minimum requirement for numbers of votes?
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I still think it might require some noise from some more of the bigger football "big boys", like the German, Spanish and Italian FAs for example. Some people derided the FA for abstaining from the vote, yet it has transpired to be the default course of action if you don't want to support Blatter and there is no opposition. If the majority of FAs do not actually vote at all, what happens? Is there a minimum requirement for numbers of votes?
A) ever considered why the FAs of Germany, Italy and Spain are fairly silent about the matter ?

B) And where is Jack Warner ? The man wanted to give a press conference today at 14.00, but nothing happened up to right now, two hours later
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A) ever considered why the FAs of Germany, Italy and Spain are fairly silent about the matter ?
Well, it had crossed my mind . I was hpoing they would see some kind of worthy justice in all this, but it's FIFA, so I'm not holding my breath.
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A) ever considered why the FAs of Germany, Italy and Spain are fairly silent about the matter ?

B) And where is Jack Warner ? The man wanted to give a press conference today at 14.00, but nothing happened up to right now, two hours later
Warner is fighting for his political life in Trinidad & Tobago while simultaneously trying to decide whether it makes sense to escalate things any further. I suspect the pictures of the envelopes filled with cash given to CFA officials, purportedly from Hammann and Warner, were floated this morning as a warning to him of what's to come.
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Also, this just came out:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...ook-place.html
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Re: Mr Joseph Sepp Bellend Blatter - FIFA corruption

Funny comment from a Guardian journalist ...


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Just got back from a scheduled "press conference" with a "mystery ex-Fifa employee" blowing the whistle on fresh corruption at Fifa. The "press conference" did not in the event take place, with 100 journalists having chased down there in search of a great story.
If the email that called the "press conference" was a hoax, my bet is on it having been the Union of Zurich Taxi Drivers. 100 x CHF60 fares!
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