Yesterday PKK terrorists murdered 13 Turkish soldiers in southeastern Turkey who were searching for 4 people kidnapped by PKK earlier in the week. This adds to the 40,000 dead since 1980. PKK routinely kills teachers, doctors, imams, construction workers who they deem to work for the government, and brutalizes the local population, Kurdish and Turkish alike. Final aim of PKK is to carve out a Kurdish ethnic state in Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran that is ruled by Stalinist ideals. PKK is recognized as a terrorist organization by EU, USA and many other countries, including Iraq, Iran and Syria.

By the way, PKK holds the major drug trade to Europe. All the dope you find in the streets comes from Afganistan via Iran, and finally Turkey, all regulated by PKK. Drug trade is their main income source. Somewhat similar to FARC in Colombia.

My question is, why do countries like Switzerland turn a blind eye to PKK activities in their cities? I have seen their demonstrations, know Kurdish friends who were beaten by PKK thugs because they refuse to pay "tax" to PKK.

Many countries like Germany nowadays pay dearly (read: mafia and even local terrorism) because they tolerated such behavior in the 1990s. What is Switzerland waiting for? The chickens to come home to roost?

Because domestic squabbles in Turkey are of no particular concern to anyone here, and as long as the PKK are only beating up their own, there is no reason for anyone else to be alarmed.

Edited: Oops, need to read the whole post.

You seem to miss that the beaten and "taxed" Kurds are Swiss nationals, and that such things are happening right here in Switzerland, which puts them under Swiss jurisdiction.

If an Irish gang chooses to beat you up and extort money because you are a Brit or protestant, would you like Swiss authorities to take a look at the matter?

So? If crimes are reported to the police, then they might act upon them or they might not. The fact that this is connected to some foreign group called the PKK is likely neither here nor there to your average Swiss copper.


Of course I would, but it doesn't mean that they would (cute example, by the way).

the matter is not of any cuteness. welcome to real life my friend, bad things do happen...

I'm fully aware of the real world, old chap.

And in the real world, the problems faced by a few Kurds aren't of any great concern to the Swiss.

The "taxation" by the PKK has been illegal for years. Beating someone up is illegal. One of the big problems is that these things hardly ever get reported to the police and that witnesses change their testimonies quite often.

It is known that the FIS (Federal Intelligence Service) surveils PKK and that the office of the attorney general just opened a (new) criminal investigation. This is important, as this under swiss law, it is almost impossible to ban "organisations" unless it can be proven (beforehand) that these organisations are of a criminal nature.

they are not reported to the police because the victims know nothing will happen, and there will be more severe punishment by the agents of the "government of PKK" next time.

the issue is, why the Swiss authorities allowed them to take a foot at the first place, and what are they doing to ensure it doesnt become a cancerous issue like in Germany.

Because it isn't their problem.

Welcome to the real world, sweetheart!

sweety, you seem to selectively read what i am posting.

it will become THEIR problem when PKK runs rampage in their streets like they do in Germany.

It is their current problem when some of their kids are currently loosing their minds smoking whatever dope PKK transports into Europe.

It is their problem when a pseudo-government tax their citizens illegally\

It is their problem when they tolerate the atrocities of a terrorist group, even if they are not morally bothered by that, because it messes up their relationship with a rather big country that is becoming an economic powerhouse nearby

I think they are just sticking their head into the sand for the time being...

So it's not the parents fault for not taking proper care of their children?
Are they really PKK? Do they have a badge? Do they have a supply chain back to their country?

Especially not on a supranational basis That's like saying if the Marble Arch area of London falls prey to Lebanese mafia the UK government should solve it by acting against Lebanon on the world stage. Is this thread for real? Also, can the OP support his "PKK mafia" claims with peer reviewed research? I've never heard of such so I'm not going to assume that anything likes this exists at all, or at least not greater than Greek or Chinese organised crime. Also, the PKK are acting for some of the world's most oppressed people. Seriously. Try being a Kurd in Eastern Turkey. Not fun. Better than being a Kurd in northern Iraq 15 years ago, but probably not by much.

Yeah, cos there are millions of PKK supporters, controlling entire suburbs of Swiss cities.

Yup. Switzerland is full of drug-crazed, reefer-maniac kids, smashing up cars and jumping out of windows.

As long as they're only taxing Kurds, it isn't.

Turkey isn't half as important to the Swiss as you seem to think.

And I think you profoundly misunderstand the relationship between the Swiss authorities and the rather insignificant Kurdish minority in Switzerland.

Maybe the Turkish government should practice what it preaches to other countries and allow the Kurds their own state ?

Surely, that would help reduce PKK violence ?

Ah yes - this is the real world.

Why don't the nasty Swiss care about me? Not fair! Not fair!

Few years ago in Basel, a kurdish woman was murdered to punish her husband...

To be honest, we are not feeling safe to claim being Kurdish in Basel. You never know to who you talk and what are their connections.

I ate to see my husband's nieces showing off their kurdish roots. Not because they shouldn't be proud of it (I hope my kids will grow up knowing who they are, where they are from and be able to say it out and loud) but because it is dangerous to do so.

It is dangerous as a kurd to claim not liking PKK. Lots of them don't but can't say it out loud!

Before, it was the Turkish government who was doing repression. Now it is a ''political'' group who claim working for the kurds...

actually, yes, yes, and YES

State your source or substantiate please.

Is it because they all wear these?