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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

... Well... how to comment on that...
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... Well... how to comment on that...
I suspect the key to mess initiated by certain party here is:

Guillotine clause

The vote in favour of the "Stop Mass Immigration" initiative put forward by the rightwing populist Swiss People's Party ( SVP), could set in motion a so-called "guillotine clause", freezing the entire package of Swiss-EU deals, including on trade.

But if Bern and Brussels fail to agree on a way forward and Switzerland voids the free movement accord, the "guillotine" clause comes into force, impacting agreements coving trade and economic ties, market access, and agricultural produce to name a few.

You cannot just awake a proverbial sleeping giant without facing possible consequences.
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Except then the government would have less money and would find a new way of getting more...
They can also print money at will, which they have been doing a lot of recently
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

If the politicians in G.GB.F.H etc etc reading the mood of there citizen ,and I am sure they will .I think the EU is in for changes. My 2 Canadian cents worth
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I suspect the key to mess initiated by certain party here is:

Guillotine clause

The vote in favour of the "Stop Mass Immigration" initiative put forward by the rightwing populist Swiss People's Party ( SVP), could set in motion a so-called "guillotine clause", freezing the entire package of Swiss-EU deals, including on trade.

But if Bern and Brussels fail to agree on a way forward and Switzerland voids the free movement accord, the "guillotine" clause comes into force, impacting agreements coving trade and economic ties, market access, and agricultural produce to name a few.

You cannot just awake a proverbial sleeping giant without facing possible consequences.
It seems it will happen soon. And maybe better this way.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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Hmmm...

From this:



... to this:



in just 24 days.

Who'd have thought integration would happen so quickly?
This is my second time living in Switzerland. I lived here many years ago for 5 years and I have family here.

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no clue what you are all about…

Companies move to Switzerland due to the following reasons:

1. Low Taxes

2. Bilateral Agreements with EU

Take one of these away and there will be consequences

No foreign companies care about having the "Swiss Made" label or a Swiss address (wtf)…prestige? really? no just money and market access...
Did you read about the law Switzerland had to make to stop companies using the Swiss Made label? or Made in Switzerland label? You people are silly. You want to see Switzerland hurt because your egos have been hurt. You want to see Switzerland fail because you found out that Switzerland does need you. You thought you were more important to Switzerland than you are. Why would you want to see a country fail if you depend on them for your livlihood. You should accept what has happened and wish the best for the country but you are like the rest who want to come to the country for economic reasons. You don't care about Switzerland, you only care about greed. I have read many of your responses here and you only care about yourself. Why are you in Switzerland, you can leave now many people are waiting to work in Switzerland. You talk big before now you have your tail between your legs. I don't want to correspond with selfish, greedy, people. Good-Bye!
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Old 16.02.2014, 18:28
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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What Switzerland needs to do:

- Try to keep the freedom of movement to citizens of Western Europe (EU-15), subject to 35,000 - 50,000 annual cap.

- No extension of the free movement of workers agreement to any Eastern European countries (EU-8, Croatia and dirt-poor countries of Bulgaria and Romania). Very limited (max 3,000) work permits to citizens of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Czech Republic, Hungary and Croatia.

- Better control of salary-dumping Grenzgänger/frontaliers (see the situation in Ticino, Jura, Le Locle, Val-de-Travers, Geneva...). Job priority for Swiss residents (Swiss citizens, C-permit holders) over Grenzgänger/frontaliers.
they should enforce a 10% payrise to foreigners to avoid wage dumping!
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

Spent the weekend with my wife's cousins in Italy.

Of course, we discussed this vote.

They understood my points, several of which they weren't aware of, i.e. that there are no limits to immigration, nor the possibility do do so, as well as the obvious horrendous traffic and huge increase in the number of frantaliers.

An interesting point brought up by my wife's cousin is that the main reason for the more than doubling of frontaliers in recent years is NOT that the Swiss are hiring them, but rather that Italian companies are moving to Switzerland for tax reasons and taking their work forces with them!

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This is my second time living in Switzerland. I lived here many years ago for 5 years and I have family here.

Did you read about the law Switzerland had to make to stop companies using the Swiss Made label? or Made in Switzerland label? You people are silly. You want to see Switzerland hurt because your egos have been hurt. You want to see Switzerland fail because you found out that Switzerland does need you. You thought you were more important to Switzerland than you are. Why would you want to see a country fail if you depend on them for your livlihood. You should accept what has happened and wish the best for the country but you are like the rest who want to come to the country for economic reasons. You don't care about Switzerland, you only care about greed. I have read many of your responses here and you only care about yourself. Why are you in Switzerland, you can leave now many people are waiting to work in Switzerland. You talk big before now you have your tail between your legs. I don't want to correspond with selfish, greedy, people. Good-Bye!
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

I get your points, but to me it's also just another way of chicanery, it's putting some mindless middle man (alas, as if there weren't enough) that politely says

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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

"As a hard-working immigrant with considerable education, expertise and relevant experience..."

and your fellow EU citizens do not possess these qualities?


Smells of The Daily Mail and / or Daily Telegraph to me.
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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Blocher in a recent surprisingly mild interview in Tagesanzeiger said something similar; he used the term Inländer which he defined as people here more than one year. Maybe the SVP are worried about being blamed for a flood of new Swiss burgers Link to interview here.
Blocher means by Inländer "inländische Arbeitnehmerinnen und Arbeitnehmer" according to AuG Art. 21 Vorrang.
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Spent the weekend with my wife's cousins in Italy.

Of course, we discussed this vote.

They understood my points, several of which they weren't aware of, i.e. that there are no limits to immigration, nor the possibility do do so, as well as the obvious horrendous traffic and huge increase in the number of frantaliers.

An interesting point brought up by my wife's cousin is that the main reason for the more than doubling of frontaliers in recent years is NOT that the Swiss are hiring them, but rather that Italian companies are moving to Switzerland for tax reasons and taking their work forces with them!

Tom
About "Italian companies are moving to Switzerland for tax reasons and taking their work forces with them! " - consequently they are not taking jobs from Swiss people? So there is no issue here?
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Old 16.02.2014, 19:29
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About "Italian companies are moving to Switzerland for tax reasons and taking their work forces with them! " - consequently they are not taking jobs from Swiss people? So there is no issue here?
On the contrary, the problem is the extreme traffic.

Also, it brings nothing to the local economy.

Tom

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An interesting point brought up by my wife's cousin is that the main reason for the more than doubling of frontaliers in recent years is NOT that the Swiss are hiring them, but rather that Italian companies are moving to Switzerland for tax reasons and taking their work forces with them!

Tom
It's a fair point. As I mentioned previously, a large part of the Swiss economy is still based on banking secrecy and tax avoidance.

The Swiss may complain about Europeans stealing their jobs, the Europeans may likewise complain of Switzerland stealing their companies and tax revenue.
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About "Italian companies are moving to Switzerland for tax reasons and taking their work forces with them! " - consequently they are not taking jobs from Swiss people? So there is no issue here?
Well, Italy has a problem with that
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It was in the EU countries (not Switzerland) and I recall many complaints coming from the EU. I also recall that the worst hit amongst our neighbours, was Italy.
Yes, it used to be worthwhile to make a shopping trip to Italy to save money on many things, but this is no longer the case.

Some things are cheaper, others more expensive.

There's a reason the relatives ask me to pick up certain things in CH (electronics, light bulbs, chocolate, certain cheeses, etc.)

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See this (incl. definitions for watches)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Made

I don't think that either you or Jacek read the article/ interview I posted. Except for the top-of-the range Swatch, the other Swatches contain non-Swiss components.
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(electronics, light bulbs, chocolate, certain cheeses, etc.)
same goes for Germany, though - electronics have always been cheaper here.
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This is my second time living in Switzerland. I lived here many years ago for 5 years and I have family here.

Did you read about the law Switzerland had to make to stop companies using the Swiss Made label? or Made in Switzerland label? You people are silly. You want to see Switzerland hurt because your egos have been hurt. You want to see Switzerland fail because you found out that Switzerland does need you. You thought you were more important to Switzerland than you are. Why would you want to see a country fail if you depend on them for your livlihood. You should accept what has happened and wish the best for the country but you are like the rest who want to come to the country for economic reasons. You don't care about Switzerland, you only care about greed. I have read many of your responses here and you only care about yourself. Why are you in Switzerland, you can leave now many people are waiting to work in Switzerland. You talk big before now you have your tail between your legs. I don't want to correspond with selfish, greedy, people. Good-Bye!
My daughter was born in Switzerland. I care about my daughter.
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