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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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I lack of words to describe it anymore, but I would like to see it reaching 100k. And nomination for the longest thread goes to ...
Trust me, it'll probably be closed before that.

You lot have had a very long leash on this thread and I, like Mirf, haven't been dipping in as often as perhaps I should have, but what he says goes. No more personal attacks - period.
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Old 19.02.2014, 21:15
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furthermore, although people are up in arms about it - i see potential benefits arising from the referendum in the form of change and reform of the EU rules.

i'd say allowing member states to cap the immigrant population at 10% would be reasonable.

likewise, giving member states the ability to refuse welfare payments and instead have the home state pay welfare would be (IMO) a reasonable safeguard in cases where new migrants have not sufficiently 'paid into' the system.
About "i'd say allowing member states to cap the immigrant population at 10% would be reasonable."

Well if one is to talk about a cap then I suppose sooner or later one has to come up with a number.

Proposing 10% when Switzerland already has 23% could certainly generate panic

I can see the political reasons for all member states having the same % cap but take the case of Switzerland; declining birth rate & ageing population might justify a higher %ge?
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Old 19.02.2014, 21:17
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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have you ever tried to live some years abroad?
Yes, 29 in fact.

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Have you ever tried to learn a different language in adult age, except for English?
Yes, German, Italian, Rumantsch, and being able to read bits of Norwegian and Swedish.

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Have you ever felt the chill when you go to ask for something in a shop and you are not really sure about what the guy is answering to you?
Generally not, but Norway was difficult.

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Old 19.02.2014, 22:00
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About "i'd say allowing member states to cap the immigrant population at 10% would be reasonable."

Well if one is to talk about a cap then I suppose sooner or later one has to come up with a number.

Proposing 10% when Switzerland already has 23% could certainly generate panic

I can see the political reasons for all member states having the same % cap but take the case of Switzerland; declining birth rate & ageing population might justify a higher %ge?
to allow a cap, doesn't mean that a country needs to impose it. switzerland and the UK are already above 10%.

the 10% would simply be the number of immigrants that the EU can force onto a country against its will. if the country wants more, then great.
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Old 19.02.2014, 22:13
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Yes, 29 in fact.



Yes, German, Italian, Rumantsch, and being able to read bits of Norwegian and Swedish.



Generally not, but Norway was difficult.

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Old 19.02.2014, 22:37
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

Guys, this is getting silly (actually it got silly ages ago, but astonishingly it seems to be continuing). One more personal post, by anyone, and the thread gets closed. OK?
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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and EU does not HAVE to accept anything, Switzerland and EU had a contract, Switzerland decided to not accept now a part which is fundamental i.e. FMOP. And EU has clearly said (not my words) that this part is not negotiable.
Probably neither Switzerland has to accept anything. If the Swiss now think signing up the contract is a mistake, they may have right to correct it, and re-correct it again in the future, no? To punish Switzerland in every aspect including non-profit scientific research sounds naive anyway: have you ever heard that those american scientific journals do not accept papers from Iraq or Iran?
Bilateral agreements are good for both. But it does not necessarily mean the Swiss people have no right to decide the fate of their country. Otherwise, the Chinese are building up intercontinental highway to Europe: who knows in the future one European country has to be affiliated to EU?

By the way, look at the EURO zone countries, PIGS: do you really think "the united states of Europe " will survive?
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Old 19.02.2014, 23:03
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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Bilateral agreements are good for both. But it does not necessarily mean the Swiss people have no right to decide the fate of their country. Otherwise, the Chinese are building up intercontinental highway to Europe: who knows in the future one European country has to be affiliated to EU?

By the way, look at the EURO zone countries, PIGS: do you really think "the united states of Europe " will survive?
Yes exactly the Bilaterals is really good for both parties, so why mess with it?

I really hope that the EU will survive, otherwise history repeats, which I personally don't want...

Europe is and was always a mess and it really needs a firm structure and good relationships (i.e. trade, services etc), unfortunately EMU was a mistake and got out of hand...disolve the EMU and go back to the basics...
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Old 19.02.2014, 23:30
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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Europe is and was always a mess and it really needs a firm structure and good relationships (i.e. trade, services etc), unfortunately EMU was a mistake and got out of hand...disolve the EMU and go back to the basics...
Economic structure is better than political structure, so I'd leave the EMU (…and Godwin ) alone.
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Old 20.02.2014, 00:11
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

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Probably neither Switzerland has to accept anything. If the Swiss now think signing up the contract is a mistake, they may have right to correct it, and re-correct it again in the future, no? To punish Switzerland in every aspect including non-profit scientific research sounds naive anyway: have you ever heard that those american scientific journals do not accept papers from Iraq or Iran?
Bilateral agreements are good for both. But it does not necessarily mean the Swiss people have no right to decide the fate of their country. Otherwise, the Chinese are building up intercontinental highway to Europe: who knows in the future one European country has to be affiliated to EU?

By the way, look at the EURO zone countries, PIGS: do you really think "the united states of Europe " will survive?
I wrote something similar to what you posted here. Nr. 2522 about the EU...
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

It is incredible how clear cut are things, I am very happy there are so many people with such an incredible amount of certainties.

That is what makes things easy in life.

Enough, I am tired. Have fun for me too.
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Old 20.02.2014, 04:09
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

This nice, not nasty; for all the Swiss, I am doing my part to uphold and export Swiss tradition. After doing the housework and airing the duvets out of the window, I ran down the peak, bought some Organic Milk and climbed back up with it strapped to my back! Got home had some Cheese and salad, hot milk and Swiss chocolate while watching the sunset and feeling like I should yodel. Cannut would be proud. Have no fear, Swiss traditions remain intact even for Swiss globetrotters, you can take a piece of Switzerland anywhere.
Which is probably a good thing when you consider this:
Analysts at Credit Suisse estimate that the Swiss economy as a whole could generate 80,000 fewer jobs over the next three years as a result of the referendum.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A1I0VR20140219

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Old 20.02.2014, 07:39
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Economic structure is better than political structure, so I'd leave the EMU (…and Godwin ) alone.
It has been clearly been showned that the mechanism of the whole EMU has a lot of flaws, which was (maybe) a good idea has turned into a nightmare...

Common currency is not something that is required, hence it was not foreseen from the beginning of the EC...
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Old 20.02.2014, 07:45
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

maybe quality is security ...

and no it is not as simple as just leave unless you are an expat on a short term assignment...many of us have lived here for more than a decade, had children here, bought property etc. i.e. invested major part of our lives here, so, I personally would like to have some security...although I don't worry too much now, but the recent events has showned that the rules can change quite swiftly...maybe I will get the red one afterall
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Old 20.02.2014, 08:40
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

so on the radio this morning there was a report about an Italian restaurant in Siena who put up a sign to limit Swiss people eating there to one at a time as a joke after the vote.

The radio station called them up and pretended to make a booking....

"For 8 people, is that OK?"
"Yes," replied the restaurant owner.
"Do you have parking? We'll be driving."
"Ah, you need permission to park near the restaurant but that should be OK."
"Are you sure? We have Ticinese plates."
"Yes that's fine."
"But we're 8 people...."

Cue lots of laughing about their jokey sign making the "news".....
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Old 20.02.2014, 09:07
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Analysts at Credit Suisse estimate that the Swiss economy as a whole could generate 80,000 fewer jobs over the next three years as a result of the referendum.
Well then, that just means that we will need much smaller quotas.

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Old 20.02.2014, 09:52
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It is incredible how clear cut are things, I am very happy there are so many people with such an incredible amount of certainties...
Obviously there's a lot of uncertainty surrounding the vote and how the government is going to implement it. However all the panicking and wild speculation is not helping anyone. Neither the EU nor Switzerland want to cancel the bilateral agreements. They benefit both, so the leaders will work together to come to some sort of solution.

It is only logical that they suspend talks on a few key issues for the time being. Why sign more agreements now if you'll just need to modify them later after the vote has been put into law? Better to wait a bit and see how things shake out.
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Old 20.02.2014, 09:57
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Re: Masseneinwanderung Stoppen [initiative to limit immigration]

Expect sleazy political games but at the end it all will be fine. Trust me on that one. Relax peeps and be patient. I saw the glass half full in my dream.
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Re: Repercussions of Vote Already Starting...

Who cares about repercussions from the EU? The EU is going tits up anyway.
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Who cares about repercussions from the EU? The EU is going tits up anyway.
Considering that Greece has just posted its first budget surplus, and the recession is receding in almost all EU countries, i would say that the breasts of the EU are perking up.
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