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Old 23.09.2016, 12:11
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In one statement, you never heard of it, and in another, you know where it it is taught. Credible, eh?
I never heard of it because it is not taught at undergraduate level and that is as far as I got in economics. That leaves specialised and postgraduate studies.

When you studied economics, do you remember it being taught at undergraduate level or did you learn about it later? Perhaps only in relation to a eurosceptic POV? Actually, what is your education in economics, while we're on the point of credibility?
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I'm sure this topic will be kicked up again in due course of time. It will likely kick up again in the case of Brexit. But given that its Friday, there are more fun things to discuss. This thread would be more fun to direct towards the cowardice of Parliament.
And when you become in charge of the topic, I'm sure it will be. But you're not and you've introduced an economic alternative to access to the European common market which now you are doing your best to avoid being questioned. That is not terribly credible.

I'm going to hypothesise - largely because you will never offer a straight answer on this - that you are of the opinion that national sovereignty should be guarded no matter the cost. Problem is you're in a minority in this.

Most people are happy to sacrifice national sovereignty for reasons of economic self-interest, or as you might call it; they have no balls. Ask the man on the Clapham omnibus if they want national sovereignty and they'll probably say yes. Ask him if they're willing to sacrifice economic well-being, or their rights as an employee and that's where support will evaporate.

This is why such theories are doomed, even if they can be introduced via deception (£350 million a week for the NHS anyone?). They demand a sacrifice that will be unpopular. If you are constrained by democracy and even if the electorate is deceived in the short term, the backlash when the cost that you are willing to pay but everyone else is not becomes apparent, will cause social strife and eventually failure.
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Old 23.09.2016, 12:20
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I never heard of it because it is not taught at undergraduate level and that is as far as I got in economics. That leaves specialised and postgraduate studies.
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This is why such theories are doomed, even if they can be introduced via deception (£350 million a week for the NHS anyone?). They demand a sacrifice that will be unpopular. If you are constrained by democracy and even if the electorate is deceived in the short term, the backlash when the cost that you are willing to pay but everyone else is not becomes apparent, will cause social strife and eventually failure.
I bet you were shocked and cried after Brexit. Generally, my interests are in democracy and liberty, those pesky concepts that keep coming up. Its the principle that has actually delivered the liberties we have now. On principle, I would hold it over economic ad political theorists' fear mongering. Brexit, MEI, etc. Apparently, more people who believe in the principles of democracy than the fear mongering.

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Old 23.09.2016, 12:32
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I bet you were shocked and cried after Brexit.
No and I bet you fly into a rage and throw your feces around when frustrated. So do you want to stoop to this level of dialogue or shall we try to discuss things in a civilised manner?
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Generally, my interests are in democracy and liberty, those pesky concepts that keep coming up. Its the principle that has actually delivered the liberties we have now. On principle, I would hold it over economic ad political theorists' fear mongering. Brexit, MEI, etc. Apparently, more people who believe in the principles of democracy than the fear mongering.
As opposed to your own fear mongering? You've been an endless source of conspiracy theories, after all. Your return to this thread was prompted by your, ultimately false, claim that Juncker could make decisions on a whim.

But no, I don't think you really believe in democracy. You are a nationalist who believes in nationalism no matter the cost, even if that cost includes democracy. The only question is whether you'd go beyond untruths to secure those goals or simply act as an apologist for those who do.
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Easier to say than responding to arguments, I suppose.
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Switzerland has been running a trade surplus for well over 10 years.... not a trade deficit as you seem to think.
I said that such situation contributes to trade deficit not that Geneva is necessarily (although maybe it is) in trade deficit with foreign countries. And I was talking of trade deficit of Geneva and not CH. Look, canton Ticino is in trade deficit with by billions of francs !
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Old 23.09.2016, 12:52
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No and I bet you fly into a rage and throw your feces around when frustrated. So do you want to stoop to this level of dialogue or shall we try to discuss things in a civilised manner?

As opposed to your own fear mongering? You've been an endless source of conspiracy theories, after all. Your return to this thread was prompted by your, ultimately false, claim that Juncker could make decisions on a whim.

But no, I don't think you really believe in democracy. You are a nationalist who believes in nationalism no matter the cost, even if that cost includes democracy. The only question is whether you'd go beyond untruths to secure those goals or simply act as an apologist for those who do.

Easier to say than responding to arguments, I suppose.
Okay, you're now boring and predictable. Anyway, go ahead and get your last word in for today as you need to, as I will be moving on. In the meantime, you can review your notes from school when the topic re-emerges for Brexit. As for this thread, keep it in the MEI/EU topic.
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Old 23.09.2016, 15:33
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Generally, my interests are in democracy and liberty, those pesky concepts that keep coming up.
If that were true, one would expect that you would have a better command of the subject than you have demonstrated to date.
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Old 23.09.2016, 16:02
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I was in Geneva last week and saw massive shopping in markets across the border in France. Meanwhile 30% of workforce in Geneva are transborders. This is certainly contributing to trade deficit. I mean what else could it be ?
In 2Q15 Geneva had 2.275bln trade surplus (including national trade), 1.802bln in 2Q16. While just two snapshots, they strongly indicate a very positive trade balance. And of course this ignores the payment balance (which includes services), which I have no doubt is hugely positive thanks to its strong position in banking and commodity trading, finance in general.
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