Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Swiss politics/news
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 14.10.2011, 12:58
GorillaCarrot's Avatar
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: ZH
Posts: 20
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts
GorillaCarrot has no particular reputation at present
Re: Dangerous Drug slowly creeping into Western Europe

This drug makes Meth look like a health product.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank GorillaCarrot for this useful post:
  #22  
Old 14.10.2011, 13:00
PaddyG's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Villars-sur-Glāne, FR
Posts: 4,275
Groaned at 49 Times in 40 Posts
Thanked 5,120 Times in 2,105 Posts
PaddyG has a reputation beyond reputePaddyG has a reputation beyond reputePaddyG has a reputation beyond reputePaddyG has a reputation beyond reputePaddyG has a reputation beyond reputePaddyG has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dangerous Drug slowly creeping into Western Europe

Quote:
View Post
It's lepra in a new form. Absolutely shocking.
It's nothing like leprosy. It is more akin to necrotizing fasciitis or gangrene.

On the video, how anyone can nonchalantly sit and hold their leg up whilst a doctor cheese-wires through their lower leg just beggars belief.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank PaddyG for this useful post:
  #23  
Old 14.10.2011, 13:24
GorillaCarrot's Avatar
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: ZH
Posts: 20
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts
GorillaCarrot has no particular reputation at present
Re: Dangerous Drug slowly creeping into Western Europe

Quote:
View Post

On the video, how anyone can nonchalantly sit and hold their leg up whilst a doctor cheese-wires through their lower leg just beggars belief.
The guy must have lost his marbles long time ago. The actual cutting part was few minutes only, think about the many months that he must have ignored his rotting leg.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 14.10.2011, 13:27
miniMia's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Francophonia
Posts: 5,249
Groaned at 38 Times in 35 Posts
Thanked 2,629 Times in 1,525 Posts
miniMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dangerous Drug slowly creeping into Western Europe

Ok. Really glad I didn't watch the video.....
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank miniMia for this useful post:
  #25  
Old 14.10.2011, 13:31
lost_inbroad's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Olten
Posts: 7,560
Groaned at 351 Times in 228 Posts
Thanked 7,187 Times in 3,154 Posts
lost_inbroad has a reputation beyond reputelost_inbroad has a reputation beyond reputelost_inbroad has a reputation beyond reputelost_inbroad has a reputation beyond reputelost_inbroad has a reputation beyond reputelost_inbroad has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dangerous Drug slowly creeping into Western Europe

Quote:
View Post
I understand your concern, but those people got paid for developing a new, more efficient analgetic and sedative medicament. Medicaments can be abused or their adverse effects can eventually override the therapeutic effects. You can't really blame the developers for that.
As stated in the article, the medicine gets mixed up with various other substances (for instance, gasoline and lead) I can't imagine this was done to replace aspirine.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 14.10.2011, 14:00
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Zurich
Posts: 104
Groaned at 3 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 41 Times in 24 Posts
RobM has no particular reputation at present
Re: Dangerous Drug slowly creeping into Western Europe

Quote:
View Post
As stated in the article, the medicine gets mixed up with various other substances (for instance, gasoline and lead) I can't imagine this was done to replace aspirine.
No, but there are real needs for powerful analgesics/sedatives. Pure, this drug seems to have less unpleasant and dangerous side effects than morphine (e.g. less tendency to cause respiratory depression), together with a fast onset. It's also considerably more potent, which is a boon for the unlucky few - morphine is obviously a powerful painkiller but for some it is still not enough to successfully manage pain.

This drug was produced with good intentions (combined with the aim of legitimate profit), but once the chemical structure was out there, someone found a way of making an impure form. The impurities and poor management of use are what cause the problem. The drug has a real and worthwhile use!
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank RobM for this useful post:
  #27  
Old 14.10.2011, 14:02
dodgyken's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Zollikon
Posts: 2,896
Groaned at 40 Times in 34 Posts
Thanked 2,888 Times in 1,283 Posts
dodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dangerous Drug slowly creeping into Western Europe

Article from the UK on the drugs effect.

Bloody scary!
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 14.10.2011, 14:10
Ace1's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Alsace, Basel and Engelberg
Posts: 772
Groaned at 21 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 523 Times in 299 Posts
Ace1 is considered knowledgeableAce1 is considered knowledgeableAce1 is considered knowledgeable
Re: Dangerous Drug slowly creeping into Western Europe

Quote:
View Post
Article from the UK on the drugs effect.

Bloody scary!
"You're dreaming of heroin, of something that feels clean and not like poison. But you can't afford it, so you keep doing the krokodil. Until you die."

Says it all, really.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 14.10.2011, 14:15
GorillaCarrot's Avatar
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: ZH
Posts: 20
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts
GorillaCarrot has no particular reputation at present
Re: Dangerous Drug slowly creeping into Western Europe

Quote:
View Post
"You're dreaming of heroin, of something that feels clean and not like poison. But you can't afford it, so you keep doing the krokodil. Until you die."

Says it all, really.
On a philosophical level if we are all going to die one day then does it matter how we go?
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 14.10.2011, 14:42
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 127
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 74 Times in 45 Posts
mgosia has earned some respectmgosia has earned some respect
Re: Dangerous Drug slowly creeping into Western Europe

Quote:
View Post
As stated in the article, the medicine gets mixed up with various other substances (for instance, gasoline and lead) I can't imagine this was done to replace aspirine.
It is stated in the article, because it makes it a more interesting story for Blick, although in reality it is not mixed up on purpose, but a result of home-cooking the substance from otc codeine pills. Lead would be used as a catalyst in the reaction and gasoline as a purification step. The people that cook this stuff have no clue about chemistry therefore not being able (and not caring) to purify these poisonous substances away from the active drug compound.

I don't believe stuff like this will widely spread in Western Europe just as meth never did, as drug users have better alternatives and perspectives. Even acquiring it 'by accident' should not be a risk in Switzerland as several cities have services for drug testing in place as a measure of harm reduction (e.g. the DIZ in Zurich).

Also keep in mind that many of this pictures and movies are Russian state propaganda as their own idea of harm reduction...

Last edited by mgosia; 14.10.2011 at 15:21.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank mgosia for this useful post:
  #31  
Old 14.10.2011, 15:52
Captain Greybeard's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Sarganserland / NW Lower Peninsula of NE US Midwest
Posts: 1,812
Groaned at 19 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 2,478 Times in 972 Posts
Captain Greybeard has a reputation beyond reputeCaptain Greybeard has a reputation beyond reputeCaptain Greybeard has a reputation beyond reputeCaptain Greybeard has a reputation beyond reputeCaptain Greybeard has a reputation beyond reputeCaptain Greybeard has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dangerous Drug slowly creeping into Western Europe

Quote:
View Post
As stated in the article, the medicine gets mixed up with various other substances (for instance, gasoline and lead) I can't imagine this was done to replace aspirine.
Those who got payed for developing it didn't do that. It's the basement den labs that do that.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 14.10.2011, 15:53
lost_inbroad's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Olten
Posts: 7,560
Groaned at 351 Times in 228 Posts
Thanked 7,187 Times in 3,154 Posts
lost_inbroad has a reputation beyond reputelost_inbroad has a reputation beyond reputelost_inbroad has a reputation beyond reputelost_inbroad has a reputation beyond reputelost_inbroad has a reputation beyond reputelost_inbroad has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dangerous Drug slowly creeping into Western Europe

Quote:
View Post
Those who got payed for developing it didn't do that. It's the basement den labs that do that.
...and they did it for philanthropical purposes right?
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 14.10.2011, 16:14
Ace1's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Alsace, Basel and Engelberg
Posts: 772
Groaned at 21 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 523 Times in 299 Posts
Ace1 is considered knowledgeableAce1 is considered knowledgeableAce1 is considered knowledgeable
Re: Dangerous Drug slowly creeping into Western Europe

Quote:
View Post
Quote:
Those who got payed for developing it didn't do that. It's the basement den labs that do that.
...and they did it for philanthropical purposes right?
But it's hardly what you'd call 'developing' the drug; rather it's just finding a quick and cheap way to make it. And while some folk may be making money out of it, it sounds like the real problem is just caused by makers/users who don't give a shit about their own bodies.

I'm not a chemist, but I strongly suspect that even with the basic methods they're using the product could easily be post-processed to purify it and remove most of the damaging compounds.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 24.11.2011, 02:04
Newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Switzerland=mental suicide
Posts: 1
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Trouser Mauser has no particular reputation at present
Re: Dangerous Drug slowly creeping into Western Europe

At least now I have a video to watch when I'm falling off my diet plan.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 24.11.2011, 02:39
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: SG (the far away one...)
Posts: 6,275
Groaned at 90 Times in 73 Posts
Thanked 8,521 Times in 3,393 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Dangerous Drug slowly creeping into Western Europe

Quote:
View Post
Ok, so how does it work? someone takes the drug, after how long? and the body cells die? burn?
The stuff is eight times as strong as morphine, so the addiction is pretty much immediate after the first use.

The rotting part isn't as far as I understand the drug itself but the dirt and the (very aggressive and poisonous) byproducts in it - the stuff is made in a literally quick and dirty way. So "how long till one loses a leg?" must then depend on how bad the individual stuff is made.

But just for the record: The source that "it surely will somehow come to Switzerland" is BLICK. Their source that "it's already in Germany" is BILD - the German equivalent of Blick - and the four cases that were reported by Bild have by now been identified as "normal bad quality heroin" instead... the stuff has been around in Russia since 2002 and not really swamped EU streets in the last 8 years - why should it suddenly do so?
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 24.11.2011, 03:28
tequila911's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Kloten
Posts: 69
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 80 Times in 27 Posts
tequila911 is considered knowledgeabletequila911 is considered knowledgeabletequila911 is considered knowledgeable
Re: Dangerous Drug slowly creeping into Western Europe

Quote:
View Post
I found this news report on Blick this evening...and after doing some initial research on the topic, I was rather shocked at how devastating this drug is. It's called "crocodile" and it originates from Russia. Apparently, it's a mixture of various chemicals/drugs and is by far more lethal and dangerous than heroin.

Here is a the Blick article (in German) but a quick google search on "crocodile Russia" will get you the results in English. Also, as a warning, the images are not for the weak or fainthearted.

http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/die...schweiz-184291

I'm disturbed now........
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 24.11.2011, 11:23
Ace1's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Alsace, Basel and Engelberg
Posts: 772
Groaned at 21 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 523 Times in 299 Posts
Ace1 is considered knowledgeableAce1 is considered knowledgeableAce1 is considered knowledgeable
Re: Dangerous Drug slowly creeping into Western Europe

Quote:
View Post
The stuff is eight times as strong as morphine, so the addiction is pretty much immediate after the first use.
Sorry, but that's just nonsense. For two reasons: First, relative strength only means you need less of it for the same effect, so the physical dependency may even be lower (or it may be higher, but either way it's not related to "strength"). Secondly, even very high doses of morphine are not addictive until or unless used over a long period of time. I personally have been on very high dosage for some days following major trauma, then gradually reduced dosage over the following weeks and months. Addiction is not considered a major problem when used for medical reasons.

Anyway, "addiction" is a nebulous term. Physical and psychological dependence are the measurable terms used in the industry, and as far as I'm aware this drug hasn't been properly compared. But for both of these measures Heroin (diamorphine) is right at the top of the scale, so it is reasonable to assume that desamorphine will be too, but not that it would be higher.

Also, don't forget that by the time anyone is desperate enough to try a drug that they know will kill them (i.e. the unrefined, impure, stuff we're talking about here) they're already a long way down the route of hard-core addiction, usually to heroin.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Dangerous new psycho drug, made in Asia Ittigen General off-topic 11 13.04.2010 16:11
White worms creeping out of corners sash4u Housing in general 8 19.08.2009 11:08
Dangerous monsters? Libellula Daily life 13 28.04.2009 14:50
Drug Potency Notation DaveA Family matters/health 2 18.08.2008 11:01


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 15:51.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0