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the law about car accidents death

y am writing this article about my fathers car accident wich happened in ch with a militari armi car on 8.12.2011 its about a romanian family traveling in a personal car from germany my father was entering the highway A1 tryng to get to germany when he was hit from behind by another german car alpha romeo giuleta the imapct was verry hard but from the statement of my living sister inly the car was destoryed but my mother father and sister war ok my father car was a ford mondeo comby a verry long car with a verry big trunk that was the first hit!after this hit mya father car could not start the engine because after the hit the car was incapacity to start to move from the 1st line of the highway a second car(the military-army car)was comming with verry high speed(over 160km/h)and crashed into the back side of my fathers car my father was death instantly my mother was in a coma for 13days and the doctors didint give her more then 8% chance to live but god made a miracle with her and kept her alive now she is not able to recongnize any of her children and stil have a serious barin injury and she suffered 3 operation at the hips the spine my sister had 6operation at the legs bazin loungs ribs she was crused like a bug and she is now invalid she wil not walk ever again on her feets!in a short descripion my family was destroied by a speedfreak wich was driving an audi a8 bulletproof a 4tone car almost triple the weight of my fathers car!y have a verry good lawyer taking care of mi case but a want to ask is not a law in ch. for imprisonement for this kind of accidents??y have heared that is an involuntary or negligence kil but is stil remaian a murder in my opinion if you are not able to control or to dryve a car why do you drive it???who has the control??the driver or the car???hope to recieve an answer a.s.a.p to informe me about the law thank you verry much!P.S the driver that killed my father after this accident needed psihologue help to recover...what about my sister,she was the one that informed me about this accident she was consciuos after 20 hours and gie me this news about my father death and my mother condition,what about me y needed to come to ch to collect my fathers body and leave my sister and mom hier for the funerals of my father............................................ .................................................. ...........
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Re: the law about car accidents death

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Your English isn't bad, but I get the impression that where you come from they don't used punctuation or paragraphs. It sounds like a sad story but halfway though I was lost and really have no idea what you are after. Did you have a question? I don't know if noobs can edit, but if you can, at least split that up into 3 or 4 separate paragraphs and toss a few periods and commas in there.
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Your English isn't bad, but I get the impression that where you come from they don't used punctuation or paragraphs. It sounds like a sad story but halfway though I was lost and really have no idea what you are after. Did you have a question? I don't know if noobs can edit, but if you can, at least split that up into 3 or 4 separate paragraphs and toss a few periods and commas in there.
I believe he wanted to know, whether there is no law, for which the person who had hit his familiy would have to be imprisoned.
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I believe he wanted to know, whether there is no law, for which the person who had hit his familiy would have to be imprisoned.
If that is his question, the answer is yes, vehicular manslaughter or homocide carries a prison sentence if he is found guilty.
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Re: the law about car accidents death

I don't know about the laws but your story is terrible, I hope your family recover and you find some peace after such a horrible experience.
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Re: the law about car accidents death

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I am writing this article about my father's car accident which happened in Switzerland, with a military army car on 8.12.2011. It's about a Romanian family traveling in a personal car from Germany. My father was entering the A1 highway, trying to get to Germany, when he was hit from behind by another German car - an Alpha Romeo Giuleta. The imapct was very hard, but from the statement of my living sister, only the car was destroyed. My mother father and sister were ok. My father's car was a Ford Mondeo combi - a very long car, with a very big trunk. This was the first collison!

After this collision, my father could not start the engine of his car, because the accident left the vehicle unable to move from the first lane of the highway. A second car (the military-army car), was comming at very high speed(over 160km/h) and crashed into the back of my father's car. My father was killed instantly, my mother was in a coma for 13 days. The doctors didn't give her more then an 8% chance to live, but God performed a miracle on her and kept her alive. Now she is not able to recognize any of her children and still has a serious brain injury. She has suffered 3 hip operation
s (possibly spinal?) My sister has had 6 operations on her legs (unclear) bazin loungs ribs She was crushed like a bug, and she is now an invalid. She will never walk again!

In short, my family was destroyed by a speed-freak, driving a bulletproof Audi A8. A 4 tonne car - almost triple the weight of my fathers car! I have a very good lawyer taking care of my case, but I want to ask whether there is a law in Switzerland for imprisonement for this kind of accident?


I have heared that there is causing death involuntary or negligently, but in my opinion, thisl remains a murder. If you are not able to control or to drive a car why do you drive it? Who has the control? The driver or the car? I hope to receive an answer a.s.a.p to inform me about the law. Thank you very much! P.S the driver that killed my father after this accident needed psychological help to recover. What about my sister, she was the one that informed me about this accident. She was conscious after 20 hours and gave me the news of my father's death and my mother's condition. What about me? I needed to come to Switzerland to collect my father's body and leave my sister and mom here for the funerals of my father.


Perhaps the car had military plates, or the poster was told that it was a military car.. The police are able to determine speeds immediately prior to the accident, so they'll be able to tell if he was doing 160. If he was, then even if the poster's father was initially at fault by joining Autobahn incorrectly - which isn't obvious - he'll still have the book thrown at him.

A cyclist who hit an old lady on a shared cycle/pedestrian path, due to momentary inattention, had to do time in prison, despite the woman's family pleading for clemency. So it's like the driver of the military vehicle will be imprisoned.

Causing death through negligence is call manslaughter, and is otherwise known as 3rd degree murder.
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Re: the law about car accidents death

Tiberiu, your story is very, very sad and I hope you will be able to find some peace with this tragedy that happened to your family.
Take great care of your sister 'cause she must be really traumatized and of your mother, maybe one day she will recover.
Let's hope the police and justice will do their job.
Btw, have you tried to talk to the embassy? Maybe they will be able to give you some sort of legal assistance.
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Re: the law about car accidents death

I guess the OP is referring to this accident.

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I guess the OP is referring to this accident.

A military licensed plate Skoda was involved.
However, that article states that a car stopped for unknown reasons in the right-hand lane, and was hit at full speed by the military vehicle, which was in turn hit by another. Two other vehicles avoided collision, but were damaged.

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I'm sorry, I have no advice which will help you, I just want to say that I am so so sad for your loss and the devastation this terrible event has brought to your family.
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I guess the OP is referring to this accident.

A military licensed plate Skoda was involved.
In the article you provided there is no mention about a Skoda. Anyways, I am not sure if you think it can make a difference whether it was a Skoda or an Audi.
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Re: the law about car accidents death

Comparing the 20 Minutes story and the OP's statement, it is indeed the same story. The newspaper article gives no indication why the OPs father's car was standing still on the right hand lane. According to the OP, his father's car was hit from behind by an Alpha Romeo.

The police and your lawyer will have to prove who was at fault in this accident. I've been involved in an accident where the police said I was at fault but my lawyer proved otherwise.

I hope you have good health insurance because you are going to need it right now. If not, perhaps asking for donations from your community can help. If your lawyer proves that the car owned by the army was at fault, many of your expenses will be paid for.

Wishing you strength to heal and find peace. You've suffered a tragedy of the worst kind, losing both your father and in many ways, your mother, and now having a disabled sister.

If it helps you, please keep us posted. The EF community is good at giving support and advice and still letting you stay anonymous.
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Re: the law about car accidents death

Well, looking at the photos, a Skoda is directly behind the first car, and an Alfa is behind that, with a small Subaru and a big Audi both spun around and in other lanes, but to accurately say who hit whom, and in which order, one will really have to wait for the police report. Looking at the tire tracks in another photo, the Audi veered to the left, and hit the barrier, the Subaru also veered to the left, then right, and spun around.

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Well one thing is certain, the pictured Audi isn't a military car as it lacks the identifying black-on-grey stenciling.
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Anyways, I am not sure if you think it can make a difference whether it was a Skoda or an Audi.
Mass difference is a huge determinant of accident outcomes. The impacted car will look a lot different if it's hit by a 1.3 ton plain-vanilla Skoda, a 4-ton armored Audi or a 8-wheeled Piranha infantry vehicle... E=0.5m*v^2 I believe it's called.
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ETA looking at the pictures the ford looks pretty intact (certainly survivable if your in the front) so where the parents out of the car when they where hit? that would explain the damage on the other cars, as none of them look like they have rear ended anything at speed
The Audi is pretty damaged (note where the grill of the Audi is on Picture 6).
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The Audi is pretty damaged (note where the grill of the Audi is on Picture 6).
Yes, but the Audi hit the guard rail and spun (look at the other pictures where the tire tracks are evident).

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In the article you provided there is no mention about a Skoda.
I some of the other pictures (such as #3), you can make out the Skoda emblem at the front, and if you look at photos of a Skoda Octavia, you will see that it is the same (wheels, windows, tail light, roof racks).

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Re: the law about car accidents death

I would say that since the entire back end of the Mondeo is missing, not just smashed and that the Audi A8's front end is relatively intact, it may very well have been an armored car. Tragic regardless.
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I would say that since the entire back end of the Mondeo is missing, not just smashed and that the Audi A8's front end is relatively intact, it may very well have been an armored car. Tragic regardless.
That's is a very courageous statement to make when looking at the Audi from behind...
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