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Beginning in 1942, Switzerland operated under the so-called “morality laws,”
Yes but hardly a swiss specialty.

In the UK the codebreaker of the enigma Alan Turing was prosecuted and chemically castrated for BEING GAY in 1952.
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Yes but hardly a swiss specialty.

In the UK the codebreaker of the enigma Alan Turing was prosecuted and chemically castrated for BEING GAY in 1952.
Let's all take a look at what people have done in the past, including our respective countries, in the name of morality and humanity.

Bad bastards world wide should teach us a few lessons.

Now where should those new asylum centers be built/rejected?
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Old 27.01.2012, 03:21
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Morning all
I was browsing through the BBC News this morning and was really shocked to see this article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16620597 . I guess I've been living too long in a cosy Swiss bubble

I had no idea that such things went on in Switzerland at all, let alone as recently as the 50s.

Before I go on, I'm sure a lot of people will jump on this and say "yes, but... and Germany and Austria and etc etc" which may be so but I'm not here to discuss those countries, I want to talk about Switzerland. The fact that this may have happened elsewhere doesn't change anything and certainly doesn't justify it.

Out of interest, has anyone seen the exhibition? Or the film "Der Verdingbub"? I'd like to hear anyone's views.

IMHO, I think it is very courageous of the "Verdingkinder" to go public about their experiences. There should be no stigma attached to openly discussing this terrible period of history and I wish them every ounce of luck in obtaining an official apology.
I am only astonished to see that people are astonished. It was a long "tradition" in Switzerland and Northern Italy for centuries. Add to this that Gypsies in Switzerland were robbed of their children by Pro Juventute in order "to give them a better life in new families" until the late 1950ies.

Both things were/are known. Known all the time.
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I am only astonished to see that people are astonished. It was a long "tradition" in Switzerland and Northern Italy for centuries. Add to this that Gypsies in Switzerland were robbed of their children by Pro Juventute in order "to give them a better life in new families" until the late 1950ies.

Both things were/are known. Known all the time.
Uhhhhhhh ! I din`t know that Where can I send a letter of thanks .Maybe I start a new tradition
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Uhhhhhhh ! I din`t know that Where can I send a letter of thanks .Maybe I start a new tradition
The details are here
http://www.edoeb.admin.ch/dokumentat...x.html?lang=de

but I doubt that Pro Juventate would be pleased by getting a "letter of thanks" for the "work" in question
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http://www.thata.net/eindunklerfleckdeutsch.pdf

According to to the names on page 4 I am Jenisch
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http://www.thata.net/eindunklerfleckdeutsch.pdf

According to to the names on page 4 I am Jenisch
And so possibly was US President Herbert Hoover who was out of the HUBER family from the Toggenburg. I only in the USA learnt that President Hoover was the one who took the necessary measures to cope with the economic crisis of 1929.
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And so possibly was US President Herbert Hoover who was out of the HUBER family from the Toggenburg. I only in the USA learnt that President Hoover was the one who took the necessary measures to cope with the economic crisis of 1929.
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Re: "Verdingkinder Reden" / "Contract Children Speak",

Back on topic: I saw the film "Der Verdingbub" this afternoon, and I was very impressed with everything, story, acting, filming etc. etc. I am thinking of going again, as I understood most of the dialect, but not all of it.

Why on earth didn't they add sub titles? Maybe so people like me go a second time?
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Re: "Verdingkinder Reden" / "Contract Children Speak",

Hi!

I am currently doing education work for teenagers, young adults and adults in the exhibition "Verdingkinder reden" at Zurich and am surprised to see that the topic seems to be so much discussed in an international community.

In my work I had to realize that for many people it is surprising to hear that a now rich country like Switzerland used to be poor, especially in the rural areas or mountain valleys... and that a country with humanitarian reputation actually also has its skeletons in the closet (not just historically).

In the discussion with teenagers and adults, many of them are of Swiss origins, still, quite a few are second generation or have immigrated themselves, it has been most fruitful to put the topic of how the contract children have been dealt with in the past also in a broader context, also a contemporary context: eventually it is about how do children grow up today? what are there living (and working!) conditions? Unfortunately, I have to say, what these children have experienced is still happening today... may be not in Switzerland, yet, in some parts of Europe, in Asia, in Africa, the Americas...

Many are outraged about how authorities, neighbours, community members used to turn a blind eye to what was happening to the contract children. However, in how far are we looking... acting when we know that this is still happening today?
May be that is the most bothersome question for us that comes out from dealing with the exhibition, and from hearing the former contract children talk about what they have experienced and what they think about it today.
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Hi!

I am currently doing education work for teenagers, young adults and adults in the exhibition "Verdingkinder reden" at Zurich and am surprised to see that the topic seems to be so much discussed in an international community.

In my work I had to realize that for many people it is surprising to hear that a now rich country like Switzerland used to be poor, especially in the rural areas or mountain valleys... and that a country with humanitarian reputation actually also has its skeletons in the closet (not just historically).

In the discussion with teenagers and adults, many of them are of Swiss origins, still, quite a few are second generation or have immigrated themselves, it has been most fruitful to put the topic of how the contract children have been dealt with in the past also in a broader context, also a contemporary context: eventually it is about how do children grow up today? what are there living (and working!) conditions? Unfortunately, I have to say, what these children have experienced is still happening today... may be not in Switzerland, yet, in some parts of Europe, in Asia, in Africa, the Americas...

Many are outraged about how authorities, neighbours, community members used to turn a blind eye to what was happening to the contract children. However, in how far are we looking... acting when we know that this is still happening today?
May be that is the most bothersome question for us that comes out from dealing with the exhibition, and from hearing the former contract children talk about what they have experienced and what they think about it today.
The gradual change came about between 1798 and 1900. It not only was the period of industrialization, it most of all was the period of political and structural changes. But of course, the urban areas profited far more of the progress, while remote rural areas were behind, and progress reached the remoter areas only as late as in the period between 1890 and 1910, not only in Switzerland but also in the South of the German Empire and in most areas of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire.
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Re: "Verdingkinder Reden" / "Contract Children Speak",

The film Verdingbub is really recommendable, though the berner dialect was hard to understand.
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