|  | | | 
21.02.2012, 12:22
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Basel
Posts: 3,851
Groaned at 57 Times in 50 Posts
Thanked 8,110 Times in 2,315 Posts
| | | Re: 6 weeks holiday for Switzerland?!?
Current minimum - 20 days
Proposed minimum - 30 days
It's really not that complicated to understand.
| | The following 2 users would like to thank adrianlondon for this useful post: | | 
21.02.2012, 12:25
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: May 2009 Location: City by the Bay
Posts: 2,345
Groaned at 98 Times in 57 Posts
Thanked 3,120 Times in 1,196 Posts
| | | Re: 6 weeks holiday for Switzerland?!? | Quote: | |  | | | Personally I think that people work a little bit too much nowadays. | | | | | Of course, the more vacation you have the more pressure there will be between them to accomplish the same amount of work....
| | This user groans at phdoofus for this post: | | 
21.02.2012, 12:27
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: the small half-canton
Posts: 2,262
Groaned at 60 Times in 38 Posts
Thanked 2,511 Times in 1,104 Posts
| | | Re: 6 weeks holiday for Switzerland?!? | Quote: | |  | | | Of course, the more vacation you have the more pressure there will be between them to accomplish the same amount of work.... | | | | | People will just have to learn to be more efficient with their time, instead of pretending to be busy working on a powerpoint when what they're really doing is posting drivel on EF.
| | The following 5 users would like to thank KeinFranzösisch for this useful post: | | 
21.02.2012, 12:36
|  | Senior Member | | Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Winterthur
Posts: 434
Groaned at 10 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 279 Times in 149 Posts
| | | Re: 6 weeks holiday for Switzerland?!? | Quote: | |  | | | 2 additional weeks holiday means 50% more opportunity for consumers to get out and spend...go to restaurants, go up skiing, go shopping, and take the stress level down a notch at the same time. What are you so afraid of? If 6 weeks holidays is mandated for everyone, you will not be more disadvantaged than the next guy, we all get the same. I smell unjustified fear. | | | | | If this is true then the Euro countries will love it as more Swiss will be able to spend longer in Euro land and spend there. Switzerland will not be the benefactor of this if it succeeds. As a number have already stated companies will find it hugely more expensive to either employ more people (unlikely) or demand that the same work is done in less time.
Anyone who thinks adding holidays doesn't cost companies is a fool. On the flipside it could help the consultants as they don't need to be paid holidays so a company could get rid of a percentage of workers and replace them with consultants who don't need to go on holidays.
| 
21.02.2012, 13:00
|  | Junior Member | | Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Zurich
Posts: 42
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 44 Times in 20 Posts
| | | Re: 6 weeks holiday for Switzerland?!? | Quote: | |  | | | i'd rather they vote to reduce to a 30-35 hour week. would probably improve efficiency and give everybody more time if people had to finish their work in 6 hours instead of 8.5 | | | | | Yes, this could also be a good solution. Let's say 25 days of vacations as standard and max 7 hours of work per day. | Quote: | |  | | | Of course, the more vacation you have the more pressure there will be between them to accomplish the same amount of work.... | | | | | That might be true but very often people do not work 8-9 hours all the time. A lot of them go for a long lunch, make 10 breaks for a smoke or a coffee, read news, talk with friends and of course post here on EF... | Quote: | |  | | | People will just have to learn to be more efficient with their time, instead of pretending to be busy working on a powerpoint when what they're really doing is posting drivel on EF. | | | | | I agree. Of course there are people who really need to work all the time constantly but very often it is not required and the time is wasted.
| 
21.02.2012, 13:44
|  | Junior Member | | Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Zurich
Posts: 42
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 44 Times in 20 Posts
| | | Re: 6 weeks holiday for Switzerland?!?
How many people work in your company?
About HALF of them. | | The following 3 users would like to thank Mibami for this useful post: | | 
23.02.2012, 11:30
|  | Senior Member | | Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Genf/Waadt
Posts: 296
Groaned at 6 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 262 Times in 134 Posts
| | | Re: 6 weeks holiday for Switzerland?!?
I finally opened my voting papers today.
I think it is just scaremongering to say that there will be a detrimental impact on Swiss business and the economy. Even "business-friendly" UK has a statutory 28 work days minimum and I don't hear any of the Brits complaining.
Going up to 30 days, however, would make us the top in statutory leave among Europeans.
Hmm..., my heart says yes, my mind says no. Dilemma... | 
25.02.2012, 14:53
| | Senior Member | | Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Fehraltorf
Posts: 407
Groaned at 19 Times in 13 Posts
Thanked 262 Times in 139 Posts
| | | Re: 6 weeks holiday for Switzerland?!?
All play little work?
The Swiss are voting on extra vacation.
By law, workers in Switzerland get at least 4 weeks of vacation. On March 11 the Swiss will vote on a peoples initiative that wants to set the minimum at 6 weeks. The government and the Employers Association are against the initiative, because they say the law would put an extra burden on the economy. But what do Swiss workers themselves think? (SF/swissinfo.ch) http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multimed...l?cid=32175332 | 
27.02.2012, 12:59
| | Newbie | | Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Basel Stadt
Posts: 8
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post
| | | Re: 6 weeks holiday for Switzerland?!?
I have in principle almost a total of 6 weeks/year available at my disposal. I'd love to use them all, but it is impossible given the demands of the job. I'm not alone in facing this fairly common problem. I hear it from many other people, be it Swiss or expats. | | The following 2 users would like to thank gruezi2010 for this useful post: | | 
27.02.2012, 13:46
| | Newbie 1st class | | Join Date: May 2011 Location: Zurich
Posts: 19
Groaned at 3 Times in 1 Post
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
| | | Re: 6 weeks holiday for Switzerland?!?
It sounds as though all these people who are complaining about not being able to fit their gigantic workloads into 48 weeks nevermind 46 are being taken advantage of by their employers.
Instead of moaning about all this potential extra time off, vote yes and force them to hire someone else to take the strain and enjoy a more relaxing worklife as well as the two extra weeks off.
| | The following 2 users would like to thank fatjan for this useful post: | | 
27.02.2012, 14:22
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: by the lake (either one)
Posts: 1,314
Groaned at 21 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 1,006 Times in 516 Posts
| | | Re: 6 weeks holiday for Switzerland?!? | Quote: | |  | | | Hmm..., my heart says yes, my mind says no. Dilemma... | | | | | Follow your heart! | | The following 2 users would like to thank Mark75 for this useful post: | | 
27.02.2012, 14:52
|  | Senior Member | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Olten
Posts: 413
Groaned at 17 Times in 9 Posts
Thanked 98 Times in 60 Posts
| | | Re: 6 weeks holiday for Switzerland?!?
I love my job. But I love to have holidays and relax too.
It helps me to be better at work.
I have the minimum: 20 days (4 weeks). And it is mandatory in my company to spend at least 2 weeks in a row.
I am a foreigner, from Spain. I have a family there, Mother, Father, Brothers...I like to see them ones a year. Then, 50% of my holidays are gone! (It is a long trip to different locations, does not make sense to go for less than 2 weeks). Let´s do this in Christmas for example.
As a young-full of energy woman I love to discover the world. Therefore I take my other 10 days in summer for vacation to the world, ex: Trip to kenya last summer. I can not even go to other destinations because 2 weeks are too little. ex. Argentina...
Then I am done!! I can not take a bloody long weekend ever. So from Xmas to summer and from summer to Xmas I am F***.
Even If I love my work, it is very stressfull. I do not mind to work harder one day if I know I can take tomorrow off...But 6 months without a day off can de exhausting.
I can think in the effect of the extra holidays in the economy, the employers...I understand but could all employers out there think in how we "the employees" feel?
20 days sucks!
| | The following 2 users would like to thank seyon for this useful post: | | 
27.02.2012, 14:53
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Lugano
Posts: 4,876
Groaned at 129 Times in 114 Posts
Thanked 3,196 Times in 1,830 Posts
| | | Re: 6 weeks holiday for Switzerland?!? | Quote: | |  | | | 20 days sucks! | | | | | Well, it's a lot better then the 5 or 10 one gets in the US or Japan!
Tom
| | The following 2 users would like to thank st2lemans for this useful post: | | 
27.02.2012, 15:02
|  | Senior Member | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Olten
Posts: 413
Groaned at 17 Times in 9 Posts
Thanked 98 Times in 60 Posts
| | | Re: 6 weeks holiday for Switzerland?!? | Quote: | |  | | | Well, it's a lot better then the 5 or 10 one gets in the US or Japan! 
Tom | | | | | What do you mean?
Need we to copy their model?
| | This user would like to thank seyon for this useful post: | | 
27.02.2012, 16:16
| | Senior Member | | Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Bern
Posts: 457
Groaned at 19 Times in 12 Posts
Thanked 332 Times in 181 Posts
| | | Re: 6 weeks holiday for Switzerland?!? | Quote: | |  | | | It sounds as though all these people who are complaining about not being able to fit their gigantic workloads into 48 weeks nevermind 46 are being taken advantage of by their employers.
Instead of moaning about all this potential extra time off, vote yes and force them to hire someone else to take the strain and enjoy a more relaxing worklife as well as the two extra weeks off. | | | | | With pleasure if you tell me how to force an employer to hire somebody else. I already have the answer in my ear: "If you can't cope with your work, look for another job, or better we look for another employee."
| | The following 2 users would like to thank simplon for this useful post: | | 
28.02.2012, 08:26
| | Newbie 1st class | | Join Date: May 2011 Location: Zurich
Posts: 19
Groaned at 3 Times in 1 Post
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
| | | Re: 6 weeks holiday for Switzerland?!? | Quote: | |  | | | With pleasure if you tell me how to force an employer to hire somebody else. I already have the answer in my ear: "If you can't cope with your work, look for another job, or better we look for another employee." | | | | | I just meant that if you're already at your working limit, a government mandated reduction in your working time would in itself perhaps force the employer to hire someone else as it would now be obvious to them that you would not be able to complete your workload.
| | This user would like to thank fatjan for this useful post: | | 
28.02.2012, 10:05
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nowhere
Posts: 1,743
Groaned at 65 Times in 49 Posts
Thanked 2,528 Times in 942 Posts
| | | Re: 6 weeks holiday for Switzerland?!? | Quote: | |  | | | With pleasure if you tell me how to force an employer to hire somebody else. I already have the answer in my ear: "If you can't cope with your work, look for another job, or better we look for another employee." | | | | | Go read the ragged trousered philanthropists and fight your exploitation.
Or just invest in Vaseline and prepare to smile whilst receiving a stern buggering.
| 
28.02.2012, 10:59
| | Member | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Basel
Posts: 206
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 167 Times in 79 Posts
| | | Re: 6 weeks holiday for Switzerland?!?
it would be great for the working mothers.
| 
28.02.2012, 12:28
| | Senior Member | | Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Bern
Posts: 457
Groaned at 19 Times in 12 Posts
Thanked 332 Times in 181 Posts
| | | Re: 6 weeks holiday for Switzerland?!? | Quote: | |  | | | I just meant that if you're already at your working limit, a government mandated reduction in your working time would in itself perhaps force the employer to hire someone else as it would now be obvious to them that you would not be able to complete your workload. | | | | | Dream on. The same happens with the reduction of 100% job into a 80% job or just ask the ones who get 5 weeks holiday when they reach the age of 50. Normally the works stays the same.
| | This user would like to thank simplon for this useful post: | | 
28.02.2012, 14:11
|  | Senior Member | | Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Zurich Oberland
Posts: 413
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 339 Times in 165 Posts
| | | Re: 6 weeks holiday for Switzerland?!? | Quote: | |  | | | Even "business-friendly" UK has a statutory 28 work days minimum and I don't hear any of the Brits complaining. | | | | | This is not quite true, the 28 work days can (and usually does) include some or all of the bank holidays so it's actually only 20 days + statutory bank holidays in the UK which is not much different to how it is here (I know some people don't get paid on public holidays here but many do).
I agree with other posters who have suggested harmonising the bank holidays and rolling all weekend bank holidays onto the next working day like they do in the UK, so everyone gets paid leave. This would mean much more consistent holidays particularly over Christmas when you get the horrible years with no guaranteed time off (people who are not allowed to use their holidays at Christmas find it as annoying as people who are compelled to).
I don't agree that 6 weeks would be good for working mums as it will push up the price of childcare since the nurseries have to give their employees more holiday, or increase the number of days/weeks that nurseries close (my daughter's is closed between Xmas and new year and 2 weeks in the summer) - that eats up a lot of mum or dad's annual leave!
And it will cause problems in many client facing businesses where they are not driven solely by output but also by being available for clients whenever needed.
| | This user would like to thank rachelw for this useful post: | | |
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT +2. The time now is 23:00. | |