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Criminal investigation launched against Christoph Blocher

The Zürich judiciary has launched a criminal investigation against Christoph Blocher and already done a search of both his private lodgings and his business facilities
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Old 21.03.2012, 02:07
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Old 21.03.2012, 06:38
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The Zürich judiciary has launched a criminal investigation against Christoph Blocher and already done a search of both his private lodgings and his business facilities
Well, that's a Local-quality post, Wolli. Gotta provide some details - why, how come, what for and etc!
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Re: Criminal investigation launched against Christoph Blocher

Blocher is accused of breaking bank secrecy laws in January, when the SVP were accusing the Swiss National Bank president Herr Hildebrand of foreign currency profiteering.

Happily those wan*ers in the Zurich SVP have received a boomerang.

From the story I read, the Swiss bank employee who took the bank statements of Herr Hildebrand to the SVP wanted the information to be kept secret, but Blocher took the news to the Bundesrat (Swiss Government) and later informed the Swiss right wing news magazine Weltwoche,

http://www.weltwoche.ch/abo-einzelbe...FQdG3wodXUpwxQ

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...ende--25588808

Blocher has upset nearly everyone outside the SVP, he has smeared Hildebrand (Technically not guilty) and he deserves what he gets, how can such a rich and educated political party make so many stupid mistakes I wonder... maybe because they follow a peasant!

History lesson: SNB chief resigns...
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Old 21.03.2012, 12:15
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Blocher is accused of breaking bank secrecy laws in January, when the SVP were accusing the Swiss National Bank president Herr Hildebrand of foreign currency profiteering.

Happily those wan*ers in the Zurich SVP have received a boomerang.

From the story I read, the Swiss bank employee who took the bank statements of Herr Hildebrand to the SVP wanted the information to be kept secret, but Blocher took the news to the Bundesrat (Swiss Government) and later informed the Swiss right wing news magazine Weltwoche,

http://www.weltwoche.ch/abo-einzelbe...FQdG3wodXUpwxQ

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...ende--25588808

Blocher has upset nearly everyone outside the SVP, he has smeared Hildebrand (Technically not guilty) and he deserves what he gets, how can such a rich and educated political party make so many stupid mistakes I wonder... maybe because they follow a peasant!

History lesson: SNB chief resigns...
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Re: Criminal investigation launched against Christoph Blocher

Does Switzerland have any "Whistleblower" laws that he could use as justification?
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Old 21.03.2012, 12:30
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Does Switzerland have any "Whistleblower" laws that he could use as justification?
If these laws do exist (I believe not? ) then the IT guy who obtained the info would be covered but I assume people in the chain would probably not be covered? I mean if the Whistleblower had given the information directly to, for example, the Swiss President then he would be covered (if this law existed).

But it is alleged he gave it to a lawyer who allegedly gave it to Blocher who passed it on to the Swiss President.
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Old 21.03.2012, 13:39
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Re: Criminal investigation launched against Christoph Blocher

The bankimg authorites investigated Hildebrand, and contrary to EF opinion neither he nor his wife did anything to break the rules nor the laws. New rules are being introduced at the SNB on 1st May. It would help if you informed yourselves properly. Provisionally Hildebrandt was charged, but to date he has not been to court.
http://www.beobachter.ch/justiz-beho...-fehlerkultur/

There is no protection against whistleblowers, recently two social workers in Zurich were prosecuted with breaking trust.
http://www.beobachter.ch/dossiers/wh...pfi-geben-auf/


However the IT man has been charged with breaking bank secrecy and he has fled to a mental home for protection.

You can however report wrong doings to: http://www.beobachter.ch/dossiers/wh...nrecht-publik/

http://www.beobachter.ch/dossiers/wh...-risiko-klein/
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Re: Criminal investigation launched against Christoph Blocher

Isn't this kind of a "Kill The Messenger" plot? But of course, with Blocher being the messenger, matters are completely different.
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Old 21.03.2012, 13:47
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Isn't this kind of a "Kill The Messenger" plot? But of course, with Blocher being the messenger, matters are completely different.
I guess if he would have gone directly to the authorities and not have involved Weltwoche for a bit of publicity, you might have had a point. Seeing how the whole scandal turned out it seems more like a big push to discredit an undesirable person in the SNB..

But yes, Blocher is definitely a red rag whatever news..
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Isn't this kind of a "Kill The Messenger" plot? But of course, with Blocher being the messenger, matters are completely different.
Quoting The Local! “When it comes to secrets, there are no innocent postmen,” Ticino prosecutor, Paolo Bernasconi, told 20 Minutes.
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Old 21.03.2012, 21:45
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Quoting The Local! “When it comes to secrets, there are no innocent postmen,” Ticino prosecutor, Paolo Bernasconi, told 20 Minutes.
I do like that quote.

I assume at the end of the day the appropriate commission will vote immunity for Blocher.
Some politicians are also criminals & will want to support immunity.
Some politicians have their price (look how much money is alleged to have been distributed in cash for the 2007 elections).

Pity but that is how it works......
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Old 22.03.2012, 01:32
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Well, that's a Local-quality post, Wolli. Gotta provide some details - why, how come, what for and etc!
Sorry, the reports about the matter were in Swiss local papers like the New York Times, LeMonde, Liberation, and the Corriere della Sera.

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Does Switzerland have any "Whistleblower" laws that he could use as justification?

The question is NOT about Mr Blocher getting the material as he was not the thief, but what he did with the stuff and how he used it. It basically is prohibited to take over stolen bank-data, so that "normal" people having done what Mr Blocher did would be in deepest sh...., and to use stolen bank-data for political purposes IS criminal. He and his law-twister of course will emphasize that he simply took the stuff over to "assess" it and then .....

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let's not forget the political side. SVP politician Mr Zuppiger, a candidate for Bundesrat, for much a minor matter than the one now under discussion, had to quit politics not too long ago

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I do like that quote.

I assume at the end of the day the appropriate commission will vote immunity for Blocher.
Some politicians are also criminals & will want to support immunity.
Some politicians have their price (look how much money is alleged to have been distributed in cash for the 2007 elections).

Pity but that is how it works......
I read (or thought I read) that although Blocher does have immunity as an elected official (Bundesrat right?), the immunity does not include the Swiss banking laws.

The Swiss banking rules are tough (I've had to sign them) and are extremely important to the Swiss. That Blocher did not consider the blowback from his actions, how unfortunate
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I read (or thought I read) that although Blocher does have immunity as an elected official (Bundesrat right?), the immunity does not include the Swiss banking laws.

The Swiss banking rules are tough (I've had to sign them) and are extremely important to the Swiss. That Blocher did not consider the blowback from his actions, how unfortunate
Well Blocher is claiming immunity but there are open points.
He is an ex-Bundesrat so that probably does not count for immunity.

He was recently voted into the Nationalrat but there are 2 open points here.
  1. Is handling stolen bank data part of his Nationalrat role?
  2. He was voted into the Nationalrat but had not officially started as a Nationalrat (sworn in or whatever they do) at the time of handling the data.
There will be a Parliamentary commission to decide if Blocher can claim immunity.
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Re: Criminal investigation launched against Christoph Blocher

I'll get on my high horse and state the blatantly obvious. Sure there were some unpaid vendettas to be paid back against the Bundesrat and when Blocher informed Calmy-Rey of the situation just before Christmas he thought that the ball would get rolling to get Hildebrand ousted and also to cast Widmer-Schlumpf in a bad light.

Of course, as all Weltwoche readers now know, this never happened, so the next step was to whistleblow the whole story. Well that worked, Hildebrand resigned, but the legal side is now being cleared up and as Hildebrand de facto didn't break the law, there is no precedence for Blocher and his Thurgau SVP colleague to have acted as they did with making Hildebrand's wife's bank statements public. So now the mess is getting cleared up and to be honest (and I'll admit to supporting him in the past), Blocher deserves to eat some humble pie on this one.
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serves him good, he will learn fair play the hard way.
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I read (or thought I read) that although Blocher does have immunity as an elected official (Bundesrat right?), the immunity does not include the Swiss banking laws.

The Swiss banking rules are tough (I've had to sign them) and are extremely important to the Swiss. That Blocher did not consider the blowback from his actions, how unfortunate
Interesting question is - if Blocher claims to have done nothing wrong then why is he claiming immunity.
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I read (or thought I read) that although Blocher does have immunity as an elected official (Bundesrat right?), the immunity does not include the Swiss banking laws.

The Swiss banking rules are tough (I've had to sign them) and are extremely important to the Swiss. That Blocher did not consider the blowback from his actions, how unfortunate
Dr jur Blocher WAS Bundesrat but no longer is. He is a member of the Lower House of Parliament.

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Well Blocher is claiming immunity but there are open points.
He is an ex-Bundesrat so that probably does not count for immunity.

He was recently voted into the Nationalrat but there are 2 open points here.
  1. Is handling stolen bank data part of his Nationalrat role?
  2. He was voted into the Nationalrat but had not officially started as a Nationalrat (sworn in or whatever they do) at the time of handling the data.
There will be a Parliamentary commission to decide if Blocher can claim immunity.
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For Dr Jur Blocher, the matter he thought of as being a sword against others backfired and completely got out of hands. He now tries whatever to stop all procedures. However, in political terms, his becoming subject of the works of a Parliamentary Commission clearly means to much of the public that this billionaire is involved into things, shady at least and criminal in case of doubt.

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I'll get on my high horse and state the blatantly obvious. Sure there were some unpaid vendettas to be paid back against the Bundesrat and when Blocher informed Calmy-Rey of the situation just before Christmas he thought that the ball would get rolling to get Hildebrand ousted and also to cast Widmer-Schlumpf in a bad light.

Of course, as all Weltwoche readers now know, this never happened, so the next step was to whistleblow the whole story. Well that worked, Hildebrand resigned, but the legal side is now being cleared up and as Hildebrand de facto didn't break the law, there is no precedence for Blocher and his Thurgau SVP colleague to have acted as they did with making Hildebrand's wife's bank statements public. So now the mess is getting cleared up and to be honest (and I'll admit to supporting him in the past), Blocher deserves to eat some humble pie on this one.
Interesting is that he contacted Mrs Calmy-Rey, the one who inside the Bundesrat was his arch-enemy but with whom he on a personal level got along quite nicely. Also amazing is to see how Bundesrat Edit Piaf (Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf) in her tough way overcame the Blocherite attack

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serves him good, he will learn fair play the hard way.
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Interesting question is - if Blocher claims to have done nothing wrong then why is he claiming immunity.
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as mentioned above, he tries to DErail the judiciary. There apparently is no precedent and so he strangely enough does not yet know whether his handling of the matter was legal.
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Blocher is damaging for Switzerland, dishonest and should feel the full weight of the law for what he's done. He should then make many people very happy by retiring.
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