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Old 26.03.2012, 21:41
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Re: Your Swiss justice system at its best.

These two perverts nearly got away with it,

http://www.indianexpress.com/oldStory/44157/

But they were a very tiny part of the whole criminal situation,

http://www.scribd.com/doc/61385373/1...HE-TRAFFICKERS

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Old 26.03.2012, 22:00
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These two perverts nearly got away with it,

http://www.indianexpress.com/oldStory/44157/

But they were a very tiny part of the whole criminal situation,

http://www.scribd.com/doc/61385373/1...HE-TRAFFICKERS

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3 years and 3 months is quite a time. The payments for the culprits may be relatively low, but for the victims and their families it possibly is a difference. Whether the culprits are ready to learn a lesson, or simply continue elsewhere is diffcult to say of course
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Old 26.03.2012, 22:18
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Re: Your Swiss justice system at its best.

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3 years and 3 months is quite a time. The payments for the culprits may be relatively low, but for the victims and their families it possibly is a difference. Whether the culprits are ready to learn a lesson, or simply continue elsewhere is diffcult to say of course
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Old 27.03.2012, 05:52
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Re: Your Swiss justice system at its best.

Paedophiles should be tagged and tracked globally as too many of them get out on jurisdictional hair-splitting by going to more 'relaxed' countries or moving around. Are Thai children any less worthy of being protected by such a goon, even if their own country/parents cannot or will not, why won't Switzerland do the very simple act of yanking his passport? Pedos creep me out as they are almost always frequent fliers and it's so often about victimizing those who cannot fight for themselves.
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Old 27.03.2012, 06:17
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why won't Switzerland do the very simple act of yanking his passport?
Why and what for? To stop this guy from sneaking over Thai-Cambodian border or to prevent him leaving the child prostitute "paradise" he obviously already lives in?

Clearly, the OP got the picture wrong. The thread is even in the wrong section. Let's not try to keep it up somehow ...
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Old 27.03.2012, 06:25
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Why and what for? To stop this guy from sneaking over Thai-Cambodian border or to prevent him leaving the child prostitute "paradise" he obviously already lives in?

Clearly, the OP got the picture wrong. The thread is even in the wrong section. Let's not try to keep it up somehow ...
What part of some 81 yo swiss paedo goon sex shopping in parts of the world where pimping children is commonplace which is enabled by both sides of the country equation looking the other way did he get wrong? Just because he didn't poke a swiss kid he gets off free? Somehow that seems both very wrong and hypocritical.
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Old 27.03.2012, 06:36
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But I am sure that those French pedophiles
A) did their crimes in France
B) were in prison in France

while the man in question
A) did his crimes in Thailand and in Cambodia
B) was sentenced in Thailand and in Cambodia
C) was in prison in Cambodia
Incorrect, I didnt post the link, but it was French tourists in Thailand

http://www.blick.ch/news/ausland/7-j...s-id16633.html
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Old 27.03.2012, 06:47
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Re: Your Swiss justice system at its best.

All this is also shifting the blame from Cambodia and the other southeast asian countries. Why should they be pardoned with, oh they're overwhelmed, they need help, etc, etc.. If this Hugo L. had been caught with a couple of ounces of coke, he'd be likely on death row now.

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Old 27.03.2012, 07:22
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Incorrect, I didnt post the link, but it was French tourists in Thailand

http://www.blick.ch/news/ausland/7-j...s-id16633.html

And when reading the article you see that they had an illegal WEBsite in France. This gave the French judiciary the legal basis to act
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Old 27.03.2012, 07:26
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And when reading the article you see that they had an illegal WEBsite in France. This gave the French judiciary the legal basis to act
..as opposed to getting caught in the act?
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Old 27.03.2012, 07:43
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What part of some 81 yo swiss paedo goon sex shopping in parts of the world where pimping children is commonplace which is enabled by both sides of the country equation looking the other way did he get wrong? Just because he didn't poke a swiss kid he gets off free? Somehow that seems both very wrong and hypocritical.
Oh well, it doesn't just seem so, it actually is wrong. According to article 5 of Swiss penal code, sex offences against children are part of the very few crimes someone within reach of the Swiss justice system could get persecuted in Switzerland when the crime was committed extraterritorially. But what the OP got wrong, was that this guy apparently never was in Switzerland during the referred one and a half year. So it's like making US justice responsible for a crime an American who lives in Belgium commits in Switzerland after unlawful entry.
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Old 27.03.2012, 09:54
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Re: Your Swiss justice system at its best.

The case has absolutely nothing to do with the Swiss justice system. He was caught, sentenced and imprisoned abroad. The justice system in Cambodia worked.

What the OP apparently is unhappy with is the amount of time he was sentenced to by the Cambodian justice system. Be that as it may that is part and parcel of the Cambodian justice system.

Finally, the calls of other posters to have the OP's passport "yanked". The pervert in question has been banned from entering Cambodia (he has not been banned from travelling anywhere else). At the end of the day it is for Cambodia to police its borders.

Since double jeopardy applies (i.e. he cannot be punished twice for the same crime), the only real question is whether Swiss authorities could "lock him up" (Verwahrung) to prevent future crimes. However, since he is currently in prison awaiting trial in Cambodia this is really idle speculation.

By the way, here is the reporting form for reporting sex offenses committed abroad:
http://www.fedpol.admin.ch/content/f.../formular.html
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Re: Your Swiss justice system at its best.

Well there is an old saying that I should at this point throw into the pot...

A strength of a bureaucracy is measured by it's inability to deal with individuals. There is the danger that a bureaucrat may take advantage of a new law and that's when innocent people may suffer.

So if a law came into being which dealt with these offenders then there may be a danger that that same law would be used on people who in fact were not intentionaly seeking to take advantage of children.

Having said that to be fair I don't see how there realy would be any problems creating a law to deal with these offenders, as long as the law doesn't leave the door open to black mailers who may target innocent people.

It is a pity though that these offenders are not made publicily known to all in news articles etc. Being disshonoured and embarrassed is a powerful tool. Cirtainly at the very least they should be sent to a professional for treatment. The latter may be the most humane option.

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Re: Your Swiss justice system at its best.

May be LI should start collecting signature for a referendum which allows swiss court to confiscate ones passport for crimes committed abroad .Send me a copy I am happy to signe it
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Re: Your Swiss justice system at its best.

What's more heartbreaking is that these boys have most probably been exposed to this stuff before. What happens to the victims in those countries?
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Finally, the calls of other posters to have the OP's passport "yanked". The pervert in question has been banned from entering Cambodia (he has not been banned from travelling anywhere else). At the end of the day it is for Cambodia to police its borders.
It's not only that: What one might suggest reading the Blick article, comes clear in this NZZ article from 2010: "Der Rentner lebt seit mehreren Jahren in Thailand". So he's a Swiss expat living in Thailand; which means, confiscating his passport would actually prevent him from leaving the country he commited one of his crimes. Doesn't make that much sense ...
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Old 27.03.2012, 18:03
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Re: Your Swiss justice system at its best.

Has anyone noticed how fckup are the privacy laws?
The newspaper blocks the full image of the pervert and fully shows the picture of the poor boy.
Is it because the old fart can sue and the boy can't?
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And when reading the article you see that they had an illegal WEBsite in France. This gave the French judiciary the legal basis to act
Actually the French penal code has provisions to prosecute people who are found to have committed pedophilia type crimes outside the borders of France. So the French judiciary can act regardless. Maybe it wasn't the case in this case, but it is possible.
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Old 27.03.2012, 19:03
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Re: Your Swiss justice system at its best.

what it comes down to is that you know this pervert goes after children. that, to me, is all you need to know. i'm sorry but if you are looking for places to abuse a child and if there is a place which for so many reasons can't /won't/etc prevent it, it is not a thai, cambodian or swiss issue. it seems to me it is a global issue now, because people cross borders to commit crimes (which is a nice way of putting it).

why should he be allowed into thailand, ban or no ban.or why should he be allowed to canada for that reason. i don't think he should be allowed into the coop quite honestly, but the guy is swiss, the swiss gov know he's abusing kids in other countries, it's time the swiss start taking care of they own- or better yet, people start making sure regardless of where and who, perverts who prey on children are not given access to move freely.
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Old 27.03.2012, 20:35
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Re: Your Swiss justice system at its best.

So a Thai child is a lesser human being?
According to this logic that horrible man can do whatever he wants as long as he stays away of the Swiss kids. Yeah, human race is going to a good direction..
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