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Old 27.03.2012, 20:50
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So a Thai child is a lesser human being?
According to this logic that horrible man can do whatever he wants as long as he stays away of the Swiss kids. Yeah, human race is going to a good direction..

What do you suggest? Kidnapping ("extraordinary rendition")? While Ueli Maurer sometimes has delusions of grandeur, I just don't think that the federal intelligence service would want to/could pull that off.

That said, I am all for locking the guy up once he enters Swiss territory.
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Old 27.03.2012, 21:02
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Actually the French penal code has provisions to prosecute people who are found to have committed pedophilia type crimes outside the borders of France.
So does the Swiss penal code (Art. 5 StGB), but that doesn't matter as long as the guy stays away from Switzerland.
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Old 27.03.2012, 21:31
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..as opposed to getting caught in the act?
If such people produce and sell DVDs of such things in Switzerland, it is a violation of Swiss laws in Switzerland, even if the things were filmed in Bangkok or Phnom Penh. The judiciary in Colmar went into action once the culprits had violated French laws in France

A very important matter is the point about "intent". According to USA law, to have a "criminal intent" under certain circumstances is punsihable, while under Napoleonic law it is NOT. What matters is where the "act" took place.

To put it the other way round, had those Alsace culprits done the production in Colmar, but the sales out of a Breisach address and their banking in Basel, neither the French nor the German nor the Swiss judiciaries could have done anything really. But the culprits did their business completely inside the French Republic and this enabled the French law enforcers to act.

I am really very sorry, but the law-state (Rechts-Staat) very often benefits criminals, as they are not bound by the law.

You see, the judiciaries of Thailand and Cambodia were criticized above, but all the reports show that both of them act according to the law to a respectable extent. Alright, this in the short term DOES benefit such criminals but in the longer run is the only way ahead available.

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Old 27.03.2012, 21:43
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What's more heartbreaking is that these boys have most probably been exposed to this stuff before. What happens to the victims in those countries?
usually simply nothing positive. Reality is that most of those boys and girls will continue to be exploited by rich Europeans and Arabs BUT, nevertheless, the Thai and Cambodia judificiaries are RIGHT in pursuing business painstakingly along the law. It takes longer, much longer, but IS the way ahead.

Back to the victims. As bitter as it is, this prostitution for them and their families only too often is the best possible income, They will be out on this "market" again.

"Emotionally" I fully share the ideas of LiB that countries like CH ought to do something, BUT the judiciaries in Europe act in regard to things committed in South East Asia would be an aggression against the sovereignty of Thailand and Cambodia
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So a Thai child is a lesser human being?
According to this logic that horrible man can do whatever he wants as long as he stays away of the Swiss kids. Yeah, human race is going to a good direction..
If he does these things in Thailand, he violates Thai laws, and if cought is to be prosecuted in Thiailand. It does not matter whether Swiss or Thai or Cambodian kids, what matters is WHERE he does the crimes. And THERE he is to be prosecuted. YES SIR, "human race" IS going to a good direction. To a direction of law-states, where you have the lawful-state not just on Monday, Wednesday and Friday but always. Where the sovereignty also of "Third-World-countries" is respected. A Thai child is NOT a lesser human being, BUT the likelihood that the family depends on such incomes is much heavier than in countries like Switzerland.
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Old 28.03.2012, 09:47
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If he does these things in Thailand, he violates Thai laws, and if cought is to be prosecuted in Thiailand. It does not matter whether Swiss or Thai or Cambodian kids, what matters is WHERE he does the crimes. And THERE he is to be prosecuted. YES SIR, "human race" IS going to a good direction. To a direction of law-states, where you have the lawful-state not just on Monday, Wednesday and Friday but always. Where the sovereignty also of "Third-World-countries" is respected. A Thai child is NOT a lesser human being, BUT the likelihood that the family depends on such incomes is much heavier than in countries like Switzerland.
Seems very hypocritical to me, next time you might as well say that the pedophiles actually do them a favour, feeding those famylies and all.
As someone said in another post, I believe this is a global problem and being in denial and saying "we respect third world sovereignty" is just..well, bullocks. The very same principle doesn't seem to prevent some countries from "bringing democracy" to the less fortunate ones. C'mon, it's a crime and everybody knows it.
Enough said.
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