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Re: CH to impose quotas from 8 EU countries

It would be more efficient to just put the quotas back for the Germans and Portugese.
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Old 19.04.2012, 13:04
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It would be more efficient to just put the quotas back for the Germans and Portugese.
and especially the French.
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Old 19.04.2012, 13:07
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and especially the French.
Wasn´t this already recently done to frontaliers ?

Catherine Ashton again.

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Two MPs from Haute Savoie, Claude Birraux and Xavier Bertrand – have written to the EU’s External Relations Commissioner Catherine Ashton regarding alleged Swiss violations of the free movements of labour agreement the confederation has signed with the Union.

The EU Commissioner has written back saying that it is up to Swiss courts to make sure the agreement is being followed – but the EU has told Switzerland of its concerns.

Recently Geneva’s cantonal hospital caused controversy saying that it would not consider frontaliers for senior positions within the hospital.
Related thread on EF:
Row erupts over Geneva cross-border workers

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Old 19.04.2012, 15:28
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Re: CH to impose quotas from 8 EU countries

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in the past even if you had a job you were not always guarenteed renewal of your permit. I remember many of the nurses I worked with at CHUV had to go home after the year as not enough permits available- this was a long time ago tho'
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Old 19.04.2012, 16:39
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and especially the French.
Don't worry, the list will lengthen in the near future. I knew this would happen. Switzerland has too much at stake to keep their doors open to every and anyone who wants to come in...We shall see which countries are next or what restrictions are added.
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Re: CH to impose quotas from 8 EU countries

If you are a skilled labor (working for Banks, Finance, IT & Services), the chances of you being at risk is pretty low.

Swiss is importing most of the skilled labors from Germany & France and Portugese immigrants contribute to the construction workers. For the moment, the swiss construction business is seeing a good recovery since 2011 and the portugese construction employees are under less risk.

Source: http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...-2015-Recovery

But we never know, another EU recession could change the complete scenario.
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Old 19.04.2012, 18:40
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in the past even if you had a job you were not always guarenteed renewal of your permit. I remember many of the nurses I worked with at CHUV had to go home after the year as not enough permits available- this was a long time ago tho'
I think this was a problem mainly in Geneva, though, wasn't it? I recall that when I first came to work in Basel the general opinion about getting a permit was "sure, no problem, it's not like it is in Geneva".
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Re: CH to impose quotas from 8 EU countries

Hm, but this means that the quota starts from May 1st? So there would be still chance after the 1st to get a B permit if one gets a job, right? At least until the 2k permits are handed?

I have to applaud at Switzerland for acting like this (for defending their citizens), but in the other hand, I am mad.. very mad since I am one affected

Anyone interested in hiring an IT / Customer / Commercial Manager (without German), ASAP?
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Old 19.04.2012, 20:30
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This move is stupid and discriminatory. EU-8 had very good relations with CH but I guess the Swiss continue to believe they do not depend on anyone and take their arrogance and close-minded attitude to the next level. In a very stupid way!
Switzerland became successful before any of the EU 27 started arriving...so don't attribute their success to EU 'immigrants'.
Most arrivals here are UNSKILLED which Switzerland has enough of as it is.
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Old 19.04.2012, 20:51
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Don't worry, the list will lengthen in the near future. I knew this would happen. Switzerland has too much at stake to keep their doors open to every and anyone who wants to come in...We shall see which countries are next or what restrictions are added.
Not likely. The window of opportunity to impose quotas on other EU nationals within the existing treaty has passed.
Imposing quotas on German or French citizens would require changes to the treaty on the free movement of people (or terminating it altogether) and that's not likely to happen anytime soon.
However, currently signatures are being collected for three different initiatives (Schweizer Demokraten, SVP, ECOPOP) to curb immigration and discontent about the side effects of rampant immigration is growing rapidly among long-time residents (and far beyond SVP voters). But it will take several years before those will be voted upon.

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Recently me seems there are more and more anti-immigration readers' comments under articles on web pages of Tages Anzeiger and NZZ, especially if an article is on property prices or, yes, immigration. Even posts like "taking things in our own hands".
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Don't worry, the list will lengthen in the near future. I knew this would happen. Switzerland has too much at stake to keep their doors open to every and anyone who wants to come in...We shall see which countries are next or what restrictions are added.

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It would be more efficient to just put the quotas back for the Germans and Portugese.
The special clause now invoked by Mrs Sommaruga does NOT apply to OLD members of the E.U.

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I guess I would have no issues with it if the restrictions applied to all of EU. Tons of French and Germans come here each year. We all hear Swiss complaining about too many Germans but no restrictions are introduced.

This move is stupid and discriminatory. EU-8 had very good relations with CH but I guess the Swiss continue to believe they do not depend on anyone and take their arrogance and close-minded attitude to the next level. In a very stupid way!
>> I in actual reality do not hear Swiss complaining about Germans or French coming here, except in jokes
>> The clause invoked now does NOT refer to "old" EU-members
>> "discriminatory" ? Yes, in so far as NEW EU-members are effected
>> "stupid" ? No but very shrewd, bringing a coalition from left to right behind her, and forcing the rightwingers into a defacto acceptance of the Bilateral Treaties. Mrs Sommaruga so within a week tricked out them
>> Mrs Sommaruga by basing her action on the Bilatural CH-EU Treaties has shown that the is aware that Switzerland depends on the EU (and some others)

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I guess I would have no issues with it if the restrictions applied to all of EU. Tons of French and Germans come here each year. We all hear Swiss complaining about too many Germans but no restrictions are introduced.
I think we all know it's the Germans the Swiss have a problem with (no wonder - during the first 2 months of this year, over 20'000 entered Switzerland - pushing the estimate for the total to almost 120'000 this year - considering that the biggest city in Switzerland has around 360'000 inhabitants, this number is absolutely shocking). I live in an area where the number of Germans now is approaching the 50% mark (in terms of overall population) - it's simply not normal anymore. I could as well live in Berlin.

The issue at hand is that Switzerland could have used the "Ventilklausel" on Germany two years ago when the conditions for invoking the clause were met. The government failed to do so.

Because immigration from Eastern Europe has surged, the conditions to invoke the clause for this region was met - and because immigration has become a massive problem now, the government took the opportunity to lower the number of immigrants. I personally believe that capping immigration isn't only necessary, but vital if we don't want the whole infrastructure to go south here. However, applying the cap to Eastern Europe is somewhat arbitrary and stupid when the problem lies elsewhere.

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Old 20.04.2012, 07:10
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Not likely. The window of opportunity to impose quotas on other EU nationals within the existing treaty has passed.
Imposing quotas on German or French citizens would require changes to the treaty on the free movement of people (or terminating it altogether) and that's not likely to happen anytime soon.
Frankly, I wouldn't be so sure of that. I believe immigration from our Northern neighbor has reached a level the general population can't live with any longer.
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Most arrivals here are UNSKILLED
Which in CH means anything that isn't banking, insurance or pharma.
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Re: CH to impose quotas from 8 EU countries

I think it would make more sense to first restrict non-EU immigration, then see if any further measures are necessary.
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I think it would make more sense to first restrict non-EU immigration, then see if any further measures are necessary.
Why? Immigration from non-EU countries is negligible compared to EU-immigration.

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Re: CH to impose quotas from 8 EU countries

Perhaps the government should ask Mr and Ms swiss not to marry non-eu partners. It should suffice to cut down the numbers dramatically.
And whilst we are at it take the passports away from half swiss kids and deport them with their non-eu parent.

On a different note an across the board restriction would limit the number of immigrants be it from western, eastern europe or elsewhere.

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