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Old 21.01.2013, 21:13
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Foreigners should pay higher taxes

Prof. Reiner Eichberger says immigration is too high and that foreigners ought to pay higher taxes.


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Reiner Eichenberger, head of the centre for public finance at the University of Fribourg, believes profits from the higher taxes could be distributed to the benefit of Swiss citizens.
Would CH be better off with a targeted migration, like the points tests by Australia ( and some other countries ) based on what she needs ( Skills based Migration ) ?

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Edit: Related is Avenir Suisse's Ideas for Switzerland ( a tax for new foreign hirees ). URL TA DE
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Old 21.01.2013, 21:23
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Re: Foreigners should pay higher taxes

Silly man. Foreigners are employed by companies that need a skill set that they cannot otherwise find locally and help boost the economy by generating taxable income. Swiss GDP will decrease when all those high tax payers leave the country. Essentially what he has just spouted is a form of protectionism. It doesnt really add up if you apply the rule globally.
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Old 21.01.2013, 21:44
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Re: Foreigners should pay higher taxes

Hah. I'm here because the Swissies are all too busy earning (or making interest on savings/property) way more than me and won't do my dull IT job. So in reality, like the companies that are only here for the low corporation tax, I should actually pay *less* tax. And maybe none at all, as I can't vote. And tax without representation is bad, or something.
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Old 21.01.2013, 21:48
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Re: Foreigners should pay higher taxes

If it's a reasonable tax raise for foreigners then why not?

Before Switzerland, I paid much higher taxes on a lower salary. I think many of us could afford to pay a little more tax and still be better off here than if working elsewhere.

And who knows, maybe then we'll be appreciated more ;-)
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Old 21.01.2013, 21:51
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Re: Foreigners should pay higher taxes

Sometimes I think Switzerland is much like a spoiled brat who doesn't want to share its toys.
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Old 21.01.2013, 21:54
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Sometimes I think Switzerland is much like a spoiled brat who doesn't want to share its toys.
Just some of the locals, who don't notice the "made by foreign labour" sticker on their toys And just the same as locals in most other countries at the moment, unfortunately. Lack of decent education and/or irrational thought processes.

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They need English people like the rest of us need oxygen. Also English isn't Baaslerdeuutsch...it's a universal language spoken by educated people throughout the world. Countries aren't measured in population or area, what about Singapore, Israel, Hong Kong? Switzerland could be doing a who lot better, especially considering that without foreign investment (human and capital) the foreigner hating hill-people would be sucking the moisture off cows' tails to survive.
We seem to expect too much from CH
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Re: Foreigners should pay higher taxes

Besides the fact that foreigners already do or did pay more for certain services,

he has some point.

Salary dumping is an issue at least in some cantons, as
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at that price.

Furthermore, it would push foreigners towards a better and quicker integration and citizenship de-facto request or eligibility (one could combine the guy's ideas with the discussed citizenship-in-8-years-instead-of-12 project).


However, salary dumping is not only linked to immigration, but mostly to commuters (i.e. mainly Swiss enterprises that try to make a profit from them) and lacking law enforcement.
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Re: Foreigners should pay higher taxes

That's an awful idea which would never get a majority.
However I think cross-border workers should be taxed in Switzerland (as it is the case in Geneva already) and some of the raised be given back to their respective countries (or not if those "misbehave", like the French always ready to insult us)
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Re: Foreigners should pay higher taxes

The article talks about foreigners paying higher taxes but then doesn't back it up with any context, just talks about immigration quota`s. Of course bringing in the best foreign professor`s is ok though

I can`t make a sensible argument for why a foreigner should pay more taxes, and neither did he.

If Switzerland wants to protect itself I would have thought immigration quota`s would be more successful than taxation.
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Old 21.01.2013, 21:59
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Just some of the locals, who don't notice the "made by foreign labour" sticker on their toys And just the same as locals in most other countries at the moment, unfortunately. Lack of decent education and/or irrational thought processes.
I agree. But I think it's a rather large percentage of Swiss natives, no? (Since the SVP always receives so many votes?)
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Old 21.01.2013, 22:03
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I can`t make a sensible argument for why a foreigner should pay more taxes, and neither did he.
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Well, there is.

E.g. that a person new to CH has never paid a single frank in any of her institutions, neither on Swiss markets,

nor did their ancestors.


The Swiss' did.



P.S. However, I think that the principle of equality and law is more important than morality (and btw. also PR, as this project would be really bad PR) in this case.
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Re: Foreigners should pay higher taxes

we pay more taxes anyway, so what exactly is he on about?
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Old 21.01.2013, 22:08
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Re: Foreigners should pay higher taxes

Honestly, if CH was really hurting for money, I may not have such a problem with this.

But the last I knew, CH is the (or one of the) richest countries in the world.
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we pay more taxes anyway, so what exactly is he on about?
Really? How is that?
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Re: Foreigners should pay higher taxes

Most foreigners don't do the military requirement so pay more taxes in lieu, same as those Swiss who don't.
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But the last I knew, CH is the (or one of the) richest countries in the world.
Problem is that you don't see that (i.e. maybe you do, but many don't). Swiss infrastructure is with goodwill average if not really outdated,

not every person in Switzerland is fine economically, health care not always available at a reasonable price for everybody,

public education sucks, administration is among the worst (of course among the "Western" countries), and there are many many other things that don't work, a real shame for a rich country.

True that lacking tax entries is only one of many parts in that story.
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Well, there is.

E.g. that a person new to CH has never paid a single frank in any of her institutions, neither on Swiss markets,

nor did their ancestors.


The Swiss' did.



P.S. However, I think that the principle of equality and law is more important than morality (and btw. also PR, as this project would be really bad PR) in this case.
Yep, and they never used any service in CH either. Foreigners are more likely to use private schools, but still pay enough taxes for local school. They will pay social security but unlikely take any benefit upon retirement (assuming a large portion do a year or two, leave, and never claim the minuscule pension this would entitle them too). A large portion of foreigners if they lose their jobs lose their permits and therefore don`t draw unemployment benefits.
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Yep, and they never used any service in CH either.
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True, however what they use now has been built up before, not by them.


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Foreigners ... still pay enough taxes for local school. They will pay social security but unlikely take any benefit upon retirement (assuming a large portion do a year or two, leave, and never claim the minuscule pension this would entitle them too). A large portion of foreigners if they lose their jobs lose their permits and therefore don`t draw unemployment benefits.
I agree. That's what I meant before when I said that foreigners already pay a higher price for certain services.
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Old 21.01.2013, 22:28
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Re: Foreigners should pay higher taxes

Since my income is far higher than most locals, I'm already paying more tax than them.
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Re: Foreigners should pay higher taxes

A reminder to all those EU citizens who question those of us becoming Swiss, why we might be doing so partially

But if as a foreigner, if I am generally paid more than the average Swiss, aren't I paying marginally more tax already? (Outside Zurich City of course).
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