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Congratulations to Mrs. Turner. I would gladly hand over my 2 passports for 1 Swiss one.
Why not just have dual citizenship? Or does a truckload of money mean it's more viable to give up US citz?
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Earlier in this thread there was discussion over whether Tina Turner was fluent in German. Wolli said she was, but chooses to only speak English in public. I believe Wolli, but for the sake of argument let's say she mostly speaks English and only knows a little German. She's Tina Turner. Does anybody really think in her case her canton would hold that against her in applying for citizenship?
Why not? If fluency (or at least a good understanding) of the local language is a prerequisite for citizenship and, under your hypothesis, Tina Turner doesn't meet that requirement, why should the rule be waived? Because she can sing and dance, and is worth $200 million? I don't recall seing those criteria in the citizenship manual.
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Re: Tina Turner to become Swiss

Tina Turner could only apply for citizenship after living in Switzerland for 12 years, like anyone else who wants Swiss citizenship and not married to a Swiss. Swiss citizenship cannot be bought, if that were the case any "rich" person, like Bill Gates or the king of Saudi Arabia, could walk into Switzerland, pay money, and receive a Swiss passport. I have never heard of such a case in Switzerland. I know a couple of people who applied for Swiss citizenship after living in the country for more than 12 years. Both received citizenship. However, their German was adequate, not perfect. One is from India by the way.

I think Tina Turner receiving a Swiss passport threw a lot of people off on this forum. Their claim of Switzerland being so racist lost a bit of credibility because a very famous person of color received Swiss citizenship. Switzerland does give people of color passports. Every person of color you see in Switzerland is not an asylum seeker or a permit holder. Some actually hold Swiss citizenship!...LOL

If many of you would understand the Swiss culture more and not solely rely on what "you" perceive in the media, what suits your own prejudices, or shiver at provoking posters from the SVP as a symbol of the "law of the land," you will see that Switzerland does not make exceptions. For example, even though people feel the SVP is full of racist rhetoric, as far as the law is concerned, Tina Turner has the right to Swiss citizenship so she received it, irrespective of what the SVP thinks. So separate your thoughts from the SVP and actual Swiss law. The SVP is not the "law of the land in Switzerland."

This shows many of you on this thread that the SVP is not the ruler in Switzerland even though they are allowed to exist, which they have every right to. In addition, I do agree with some points presented by the SVP as well. Sometimes countries need organizations like this to "keep them on their toes." However, remember, the SVP does not represent the "law in Switzerland." And by the way...Tina Turner considers herself African American or Black American. How can she not with a name like Annie Mae Bullock!
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Old 02.02.2013, 13:24
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I think Tina Turner receiving a Swiss passport threw a lot of people off on this forum. Their claim of Switzerland being so racist lost a bit of credibility because a very famous person of color received Swiss citizenship. Switzerland does give people of color passports. Every person of color you see in Switzerland is not an asylum seeker or a permit holder. Some actually hold Swiss citizenship!...LOL

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I have met quite a number of people of colour who are Swiss Citizens, many of whom also speak fluent Swiss German.
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Why not? If fluency (or at least a good understanding) of the local language is a prerequisite for citizenship and, under your hypothesis, Tina Turner doesn't meet that requirement, why should the rule be waived? Because she can sing and dance, and is worth $200 million? I don't recall seing those criteria in the citizenship manual.
The requirement for fluency in German is there for normal citizens so that people 'on the street' can communicate reasonably well with each other.
Superstars and millionaires etc. by reason of their fame or wealth find it much more difficult to 'mix with the crowd'. For that reason Tina Turner will have a much harder job gaining proficiency in Swiss-German. I imagine the Swiss authorities take that into consideration.
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The requirement for fluency in German is there for normal citizens so that people 'on the street' can communicate reasonably well with each other.
Superstars and millionaires etc. by reason of their fame or wealth find it much more difficult to 'mix with the crowd'. For that reason Tina Turner will have a much harder job gaining proficiency in Swiss-German. I imagine the Swiss authorities take that into consideration.
Superstars and millionaires can use their wealth to hire private teachers. For that reason Tina Turner will have a much easier job gaining proficiency in German (proficiency in Swiss-German is not that important for citizenship), than many less wealthy people, who work the whole day in an English speaking environment. Thus I really do not see why she should get special treatment.
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Old 02.02.2013, 16:09
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Superstars and millionaires can use their wealth to hire private teachers. For that reason Tina Turner will have a much easier job gaining proficiency in German (proficiency in Swiss-German is not that important for citizenship), than many less wealthy people, who work the whole day in an English speaking environment. Thus I really do not see why she should get special treatment.
About "proficiency in Swiss-German is not that important for citizenship"

Agreed, in fact it is not a factor. Apart from the fact the Swiss citizens in the French & Italian parts do not speak Swiss German (or in many cases want to) another major issue is that it is not practical to measure this proficiency.

Reason is that there are xx versions of the Dialect, it is not a formal written language & there are no agreed rules of grammar; so what proficiency do you measure & how would you get two or three people (examiners) to even agree that the measurement was correct?
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Earlier in this thread there was discussion over whether Tina Turner was fluent in German. Wolli said she was, but chooses to only speak English in public. I believe Wolli, but for the sake of argument let's say she mostly speaks English and only knows a little German. She's Tina Turner. Does anybody really think in her case her canton would hold that against her in applying for citizenship?

YES AND NO. Even Mr Jacobs, the famous entrepreneur, who among other things established the Coffee Museum in Zürich, was told that he ought to improve his command of dialect. He ordered a good teacher and took an intensive course in Züritüütsch which he described as very interesting.

I from all reports I have read that her German, both dialect and standard language, was quite fluent in a way but not regarded as sufficient.

For comparison. I had an aunt who somehow got through school (in Stein am Rhein) but unlike her sister who later was language teacher for German, French and English, her German was always "primitif" BUT in Paris she acquired an elegant and superb French, not least when she did the household for a "girls-trader". Mum once was on visit there and the aunt told her for you as a girl THIS home here is the most secure place in the world but when meeting the boss there was surprised by the nice manners of that man To put it around, had she not been Swiss, nobody would have accepted her command of any kind of German

What counts most is an acceptable command of the standard language, but a certain command of the local dialect IS a requirement.
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Old 03.02.2013, 05:30
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I have met quite a number of people of colour who are Swiss Citizens, many of whom also speak fluent Swiss German.

Many people who arrived as asylum seekers actually first got asylum and later became/become Swiss citizen. Many are "whites" of whatever shade and others darker in one way or the other.

The Swiss-German of lots of Tamils in fact is absolutely remarkable. They on arrival had to face a lot of racism or at best widespread distrust. They for sure did not have it easy. When you supported them and their plight you met waves of "disbelief". But they managed to overcome to a heavy extent.

Here in the house where I live, we have a lady from Senegal who generally speaks French, while her Swiss-German is miles better than she herself thinks. And her teenager son speaks Züritüütsch better than Mrs Mauch And then there are some people from Congo Kinshasa. While their High German is really respectable, their dialect is subject to improvement. But the two teenagers out of that community speak Züritüütsch absolutely perfectly as this is their "native" language.

When I got lodgings in Glattbrugg (Opfikon-Glattbrugg-Glattpark) I was shocked by the SVP dominance, but now four years later, this dominance is broken. Not least since Dr Abdel-Aziz successfully encouraged lots of foreigners (noteably Egyptians and Lebanese) to join CH (but to retain the other nationality, just in case).

In view of the overaging, Switzerland needs new citizens from outside, even if this does not please gents like Freddy Heer

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The requirement for fluency in German is there for normal citizens so that people 'on the street' can communicate reasonably well with each other.
Superstars and millionaires etc. by reason of their fame or wealth find it much more difficult to 'mix with the crowd'. For that reason Tina Turner will have a much harder job gaining proficiency in Swiss-German. I imagine the Swiss authorities take that into consideration.
To mention Mr Jacobs again. In order to overcome, he took private Swiss-German lessons from a private teacher. And nobody demands "proficiency" but only an acceptable command and understanding.

Baaseltiitsch btw is not regarded as proficient here in Zürich, but as a halfway acceptable kind of Südbadischi Mundart
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To mention Mr Jacobs again. In order to overcome, he took private Swiss-German lessons from a private teacher. And nobody demands "proficiency" but only an acceptable command and understanding.

Baaseltiitsch btw is not regarded as proficient here in Zürich, but as a halfway acceptable kind of Südbadischi Mundart
Here in Basel we are not quite so antagonistic regarding Zürich.
Zürich has lots going for it
...one of its chief advantages being it is only about one hour by train back to Basel.
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Re: Tina Turner to become Swiss

With the kind of money she might make, perhaps she can afford to hire some extremely creative accountants of the large-coffee-shop-chain variety - in my opinion.

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I don't think she's one of the posters who asked about living in Switzerland on SFr. 120,000.-- a year
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Here in Basel we are not quite so antagonistic regarding Zürich.
Zürich has lots going for it
...one of its chief advantages being it is only about one hour by train back to Basel.
A) The "antagonism" in Zürich against Basel is the result of the negative stance of quite many Baaasler against Zürich. The question about the trains back to ....... is just as "difficult" as the one about the chicken and the egg
B) thanks to that Zürich-against-Basel-antagonism, I could get into Basel downtown almost daily for three weeks back in 1974. Fourier and Fourier-Gehilfe (my good colleagues but also my immediate superiors ) did not want to get to Basel, and so, I stayed at work between 7am and 6pm but then could board the Therwil-BaselSBB train, relax, and learn to know and even to like Basel ! whenever I always and still prefer(red) Mülhausen in spite of that town being less beautiful than Basel as I preferred the mentality of the Mülhausers and the many Maghrebine restaurants overthere (that the Mülhauser-Maghrebiner always greeted me as "tu es de retour chez nous ici" added to my sympathies for that sister-city of BSL)
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With the kind of money she might make, perhaps she can afford to hire some extremely creative accountants of the large-coffee-shop-chain variety - in my opinion.

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THIS may be a reason why she apparently considers to give up USA citizenship'
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Why not just have dual citizenship? Or does a truckload of money mean it's more viable to give up US citz?
It's not about money, being a dual US-CH citizen is at best inconvenient, and at worse a real problem, regardless of how much money you have, or don't have.

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It's not about boney
You're confused. They were Caribbean-British-West German; Tina Turner was American.
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Re: Tina Turner to become Swiss

German "Focus" magazine reports today that Ms Turner collected her red Swiss passport on Monday. Whether she has made a final trip to the US Embassy in Bern is unknown.

Considering that her ancestors were likely slaves in the USA, she may value her new freedom more than other Americans. Congratulations to her on her emancipation!

https://www.focus.de/panorama/boulev...id_969995.html
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Fantastic positive awesome news,and congrats to Ms.Turner and continued blessings to her...!

Good for you Tina from this professional Los Angeles Californian guitarist in Kriens/Lozärn !!
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hahahaha i am living with 4500 chf for year in case you are wondering 380 per month
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hahahaha i am living with 4500 chf for year in case you are wondering 380 per month
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