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Swiss Nationalisation rules are about to change (harder requirements)

Eligibility criteria to obtain Swiss Nationality should be strengthened
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http://translate.google.com/translat...ory%2F12543578


The project goes much further than the Federal Council wanted. Brief overview of the proposed changes:

10 years years instead of 8 years. Federal Council wanted a minimum stay of 8 years to ask the Swiss passport. The commission has raised the bar for 10 years. Compared to the current situation (12 years), however, is more lenient.

No acceleration for youth. Federal Council wanted a young person between 10 and 20 years receives a boost. Years of residence would have counted double. The commission did not want to by 14 votes against 10.

Swiss way of life. Federal Council asked the applicant to be "familiar with the living conditions in Switzerland." Commission going a bit further in Swissness requiring that it be "familiar Swiss lifestyle."


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Old 21.02.2013, 16:15
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Eligibility criteria to obtain Swiss Nationality should be strengthened
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Swiss way of life. Federal Council asked the applicant to be "familiar with the living conditions in Switzerland." Commission going a bit further in Swissness requiring that it be "familiar Swiss lifestyle."
So if you're a woman, you would have to be a homemaker?
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Old 21.02.2013, 16:20
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So if you're a woman, you would have to be a homemaker?
Not necessarily, but you do need to smoke like a chimney.
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Re: Swiss Nationalisation rules are about to change (harder requirements)

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Does anyone have an idea of what kind of ability is considered to be competent official language? my german is ok to get by but not that great.
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Old 22.02.2013, 07:34
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Does anyone have an idea of what kind of ability is considered to be competent official language? my german is ok to get by but not that great.
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Obviously one of the 3 official languages in Switzerland...
French, German, Italian.
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Old 22.02.2013, 07:46
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Obviously one of the 3 official languages in Switzerland...
French, German, Italian.
Obviously not the question - he was asking about the proficiency required.

The newspaper article this morning said clearly understandable in spoken and written communication. I would guess that means B2, but I don't know.
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Obviously not the question - he was asking about the proficiency required.

The newspaper article this morning said clearly understandable in spoken and written communication. I would guess that means B2, but I don't know.


PS: I did not see "proficiency" in his post
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Old 22.02.2013, 08:05
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Does anyone have an idea of what kind of ability is considered to be competent official language? my german is ok to get by but not that great.
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Ok, let's try again:

Unless there are new written requirements, it does not seems to ask for any "exams" or diploma in the language. It just mention the knowledge and ability to use a language...

See that leaflet, in french, google translate it:
http://www.vd.ch/fileadmin/user_uplo...liant_Natu.pdf

PS: of course the law just changed or will change, so this is the "current" version.
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Old 22.02.2013, 08:23
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Obviously one of the 3 official languages in Switzerland...
French, German, Italian.
You forgot the fourth official language, Romaisch.
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Does anyone have an idea of what kind of ability is considered to be competent official language? my german is ok to get by but not that great.
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Currently the requirements are German B2. The board may require a test-certificate. So, if you are borderline, study and take the test with plenty of time before your interview - B2 exams are not given every week.

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Obviously not the question - he was asking about the proficiency required.

The newspaper article this morning said clearly understandable in spoken and written communication. I would guess that means B2, but I don't know.
Correct.

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PS: I did not see "proficiency" in his post
I do, "ability".
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Old 22.02.2013, 08:29
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You forgot the fourth official language, Romaisch.
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I though you were kidding, but no!!!

Switzerland has four official languages: German (63.7% total population share, with foreign residents; 72.5% of residents with Swiss citizenship, in 2000) in the north, east and centre of the country; French (20.4%; 21.0%) to the west; Italian (6.5%; 4.3%) in the south.[126] Romansh (0.5%; 0.6%), a Romance language spoken locally in the southeastern trilingual canton of Graubünden, is designated by the Federal Constitution as a national language along with German, French and Italian (Article 4 of the Constitution), and as official language if the authorities communicate with persons of Romansh language (Article 70), but federal laws and other official acts do not need to be decreed in this language.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland

I guess I just failed the "naturalization test"

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Currently the requirements are German B2. The board may require a test-certificate. So, if you are borderline, study and take the test with plenty of time before your interview - B2 exams are not given every week.



Correct.



I do, "ability".
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Do you see those in an official document? I haven't found any-

PS: Ability is different than proficiency
So maybe you see "ability" but there's no "proficiency".

Anyway, I just misunderstood the guy, as said later.
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Re: Swiss Nationalisation rules are about to change (harder requirements)

I understood taht English was replaced for French in the Swiss Schools as the 2nd language they must learn. Why are the Immigration rules so out of tune with reality?
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Do you see those in an official document? I haven't found any-
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Der Gesuchsteller muss mindestens über schriftliche Deutschkenntnisse auf
Referenzniveau B1 und mündliche Deutschkenntnisse auf Referenzniveau B2
des gemeinsamen europäischen Referenz
rahmens für Sprachen des Europarates
verfügen.
2
Der Nachweis über die mündlichen Deutschkenntnisse kann in Standard-
deutsch oder Dialekt erbracht werden.
3
Der auf eigene Kosten zu erbringende Nachweis über ausreichende Deutsch-
kenntnisse ist erfüllt, wenn der Gesuchsteller:
a) deutscher Muttersprache ist;
b) während mindestens sieben Jahren in der Schweiz den Unterricht auf Volks-
schulstufe oder Sekundarstufe II in deutscher Sprache besucht hat und eine
Bestätigung über den Unterrichtsbesuch vorlegt; oder
c) über ein Sprachdiplom einer vom Departement des Innern anerkannten
Bildungseinrichtung verfügt, das Deutschkenntnisse auf den geforderten Re-
ferenzniveaus ausweist.
Source


Found this one doing a quick Google search.
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I understood taht English was replaced for French in the Swiss Schools as the 2nd language they must learn. Why are the Immigration rules so out of tune with reality?
Maybe so (in some communities)... Each Canton, and community does what it feels necessary.

That still doesn't change the four official languages in Switzerland, where English is not one of them
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Thanks for the info about "proficiency" level. I need to get studying! Its good to know that B2 tests are not that frequent.
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I understood taht English was replaced for French in the Swiss Schools as the 2nd language they must learn. Why are the Immigration rules so out of tune with reality?
What your second language is, is irrelevant. You can't decide which language you want to use for the process.

A more accurate description is saying one needs to know the language of your town. A german who doesn't speak a word of french won't be getting the Swiss pass in Geneva, likewise a french person living in Zurich without knowing any german
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What your second language is, is irrelevant. You can't decide which language you want to use for the process.

A more accurate description is saying one needs to know the language of your town. A german who doesn't speak a word of french won't be getting the Swiss pass in Geneva, likewise a french person living in Zurich without knowing any german
Montgomery is talking about school taught languages. Not proficiency for Swiss citizenship.

Of course, it is a no-brainer that you must be proficient in the local language in which you intend to become a citizen
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Asking why immigration rules are so out of tune with reality in regards to the school system for me suggests the poster thinks the immigration rules should get in tune with reality and apparently some how make english relevant for the naturalisation process.

Anyway english hasn't replaced french in schools. It may have now gotten more important but french is still tought in schools
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