Building a fence big enough & long enough would be incredibly expensive. The best solution, as has been said previously, is for owners to make sure their animals can not breed.

Looks at the complete picture people!

As I have mentioned previously if people eat meat then there is no difference between killing a cat, cow or pig. People can say whatever they want to make themselves feel better but the fact is-

Cat = animal
Cow = animal
Pig = animal
Dog = animal
Man = animal too

I have more "respect" for meat eaters who make no excuses about their meat eating habits compared to touchy touchy meat eaters who continue to eat meat and use leather product (animal skin) but keep making excuses about how it is somehow more cruel to eat/kill cats

Your friendly Vegan
DR (Doctor Rhythm)

P.S- I personally would like people to stop eating and exploiting ALL animals.

Hmmmmm. . . . really? I've never heard you mention that on EF before. That comes a such a massive shock to me.

You could build a 3m high fence and our cats would scramble over it! And farmers don't build solid fences, most of the time they have portable electric fencing which they use to move cows and goats from one field to another.

Owners should do as Lou suggests and get to the vet.

We had a similar issue back in New Zealand. People were always dumping their unwanted cats out in the countryside, and somehow expecting that the cats would magically look after themselves and live happily ever after. The sheep farmers had a big problem with them around lambing time, because apparently feral cats (and hedgehogs?) can carry a bug that causes spontaneous abortion in ewes.

I guess someone forgot to tell Martin Luther King Jr that.

Well, there has been research weather people try to get pets which are similar to themselves

I want to add some discussion material on the difference between wearing animals and pets

Well, I have had 3 bulldogs in my time so that doesn't say much about my looks

Maybe you have a pigeon chest?

From this morning's Independent:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/eu...on-815426.html

Not sure I'd call Neuchâtel an 'alpine' town, but the writer seems found of the adjective, complete with unnecessary capital A!

Apparently its also still common in some remote areas of CH to eat dog meat - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat. Have heard about this from multiple sources.

But, then again - its difficult to judge why it should be ok to eat a little rabbit or lamb, but not a dog or a cat (except that its less efficient to eat a carnivore). Its very common in CH and many other European countries to eat horse meat (I started doing that do when I moved to CH - much cheaper than beef but equally good), while this is even illegal in some US states.

While humans are the most successful of all carnivores the earth would still be a beautiful place to live if it wasn't for the people.

I love cats (I am owned by two lovely Chartreuse) but as long as animals in general are killed humanely, and suffer no pain in the process, then I don't have a problem with people using the fur/skin. BTW, I also have a horse, and I don't have a problem with people eating horsemeat, which for many cultures is taboo. I don't eat horse, but I do eat meat. I figure I don't really have alot to complain about.

Regarding catnappings for fur...another good reason to keep my cats indoors. Nevermind that I am accused of being cruel for keeping them in... usually by people who are on their second or third cat, because the previous one was hit by a car

If people kept their cats indoors, then they wouldn't have to worry about the the evil farmer next door? kidnapping and killing their cats. God forbid any cat lose his right to enter my garden and poo in my flower beds, kill birds, or generally be a nuissance.

Sorry for the double post!! I can't edit my posts yet (after much frustration I finally read somewhere on this forum you have to be a member for a week) so if I have a computer glitch or bad spelling... too bad for me

It's always possible to buy it, two years after the ban decided by the federal Chambers. (it will be effective in 2011)

Treat on a rheumatism with cat's skin, it is grandmother's recipe which makes react the friends of the animals. Their battle relieved by the national adviser Luke Barthassat (PDC / GE) carried its fruits in 2008, when the federal Chambers decided to forbid the trade of the skins of cats and dogs (see supervised). But two years after this vote, a friend of animals could buy herself her skin in a tannery of Yvonand (VD).

" It is my last cat's skin ", the tanner said to her customer. Sale ended for 49 francs, but when the customer expressed his alleged interest for a coverage, it found an attentive ear. " I know wholesalers ", answered the seller.
By basing his counting on rectangular skins of 40 x 60 cm, the tanner established a rough quote: " This will make 12 skins in 45 francs. " It is a matter of striped or blotchy fur. Is their provenance native or foreigner? The tanner is unable to say it: " It is not me who tans cats' skins: I contact Swiss tanneries ", she says.

In the collimator

In Noiraigue no (NE), the animator of the shelter SOS Cats is outraged: « Sell skins when 270 000 persons signed a petition for their ban, it is scandalous », Tomi Tomek growls. The tannery of Yvonand is in its collimator for a long time. The face being known of the tanner, it is a volunteer of her association which took part in game yesterday morning, by buying cat's skin.

In afternoon, the tanner answered very mildly the questions of "Morning": « The trade of cats' skins is not profitable: I sell a dozen per year, only to be a help. » If he sometimes tanned it, it is only at the request of an owner who wants to make seat with straw his ancient companion in four legs.

The tanner does not understand the furious energy of Tomi Tomek: « The cats are not killed for the skin.
Why not to use their fur when they died? » Made tired by the harassment of Tomi Tomek, it will drop cats' skins before the coming into force of law: « My purveyors cannot guarantee me any more of delivery: they threw the sponge. » This depression, it is a win for Tomi Tomek. After her yesterday purchase in the morning, his volunteer was appalled: « The trade of cats' skins does not take place abroad, as they often believe it, but to us, in a country where the cats are pets ». The trade of cats' skins being forbidden in the countries of the European Union, the tannery of Yvonand accomplished its last important sale with a French customer. But his manager has quiet conscience: « Me, I sleep in skins of sheep and foxes. »

Native skins: No proscription before 2011
"To sell cats' skins in our epoch, it is ridiculous! Even if ban is not inscribed in law " yet, cries the national adviser Luke Barthassat. Why did not the ban voted in 2008 come into force yet? " It is necessary to still change federal law on the protection of the animals ", answers Cathy Maret, spokeswoman of federal veterinary Service.
Federal Council must first define the bill which will be subjected in consultation, before its adoption by the Parliament. Will the trade of native skins be forbidden on January 1st, 2011, as hopes for it Tomi Tomek? " This calendar is too optimistic " tell Cathy Maret. If it still does not forbid the trade of the skins of cats and dogs, law forbids their importation since September 1st, 2008.

source : http://www.lematin.ch/actu/suisse/tr...ontinue-271997

it's my own translation. I hope it's not too bad....

Cat skin makes the best banjo heads. At least that's what my Appalachian brethren say...

I personally can`t see any reason why trades with cat fur should be baned while trades with other dead anymal products is legal. Also live anymal transport is still be done.
So where is the difference between leather jaket, leather walet, leather trim in your car etc. and a cat, chinchilla or bunny overcoat? Anymal breeding wise it does not make a differnce if they are mainly farmed because of meat or fur.
I think the ban of fur trade shows the stupidity of some people, also i know some eat beef but wouldn`t eat horse meat.

You also have to know the peltmonger and furrier vocation was killed because of that. While it is still fashion wearing leather belts, shoes and jakets.

I understand people who are against farming animal just to kill them later for the car interieur and peoples BBQ. But why dont`t they promote vegetarian cuisine more and also avoid wearing leather products themself?.

Well, there's a bit of a difference between being against the cruel farming trade, and being a vegetarian... I don't think they are mutually exclusive. The big difference is in how humand their lfes and deaths are. Leather is a byproduct of the mealt industry and the animals death, it's not a sole reason for raising and killing the animal, unlike much of the fur trade.

For the animal it does not make a difference for what reason it is going to be killed.
I belive some of todays animal farming is cruel anyway, so why would you make a difference if the animal is killed just for fur. As far i know fur trade with bunny fur is banned too despite they are farmed very animal friendly for meat production.

Cat skins?

Sounds good to me...