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New Immigration Restrictions in Switzerland

The Bundesrat has decided to introduce restrictions on EU immigration using the so called "Ventilklausel". As I understand this has no impact on those of us already here but will it really make it much more difficult for EU citizens to get jobs in Switzerland?

I see that B Permits for EU citizens will be limited to 56'000 per year, not sure how the application process for these permits will work.

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Re: New Immigration Restrictions in Switzerland

My experience from the first time here, when they still had their Kontingente? Applied for a B, no space available, and got an L.
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Re: New Immigration Restrictions in Switzerland

From what I've read before now, this "Ventilklausel" possibly only applies to certain member states, but not others. That said I don't know how the vote went down so I may be talking out of my rear-end.
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From what I've read before now, this "Ventilklausel" possibly only applies to certain member states, but not others. That said I don't know how the vote went down so I may be talking out of my rear-end.
Up to now, it was only invoked for the EU-8 countries (the eastern europe accession states from 2004 except Malta & Cyprus) but it will now apply to all EU countries. For a year.
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Re: New Immigration Restrictions in Switzerland

Will it have consequences on permit renewal for EU citizens?
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Up to now, it was only invoked for the EU-8 countries (the eastern europe accession states from 2004 except Malta & Cyprus) but it will now apply to all EU countries. For a year.
Yes, I've been combing the press over this since my last post, and I found this little snippet from the TA

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24. April 2012: Der Bundesrat beschliesst, die Ventilklausel erstmals auch für Bürger mit B-Bewilligungen aus den EU-17-Ländern zu aktivieren, sofern Ende Mai die Voraussetzungen dafür gegeben sind. Für die EU-8 wird die Massnahme verlängert.
The bold is mine. Now, I can converse in German, and read German quite easily, but sometimes I don't believe what I'm reading and thus I think I've got the wrong end of the stick.

For me the above in bold suggests that even if you're EU and already here with a B permit, and it's up for renewal next year, then you could be bumped down to an L, or even worse.

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Re: New Immigration Restrictions in Switzerland

I don't get it. Why would you restrict the number of B permits available... They just give the rest of the people an L permit. It doesn't change the number of people here.
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Re: New Immigration Restrictions in Switzerland

I'm currently in the country (I am a member of the EU) but haven't proceeded to register anywhere as I believe my employer was responsible for doing so (I don't have a signed contract yet). Is there any action I can take before the end of the month? :/
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Re: New Immigration Restrictions in Switzerland

The option to apply the Ventilklausel expires in May 2014. This is the last chance to make a statement to the EU.

It's true that as the number of L permits won't be restricted, numbers may indeed stay the same albeit with shorter, more precarious contracts for immigrant workers.
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I don't get it. Why would you restrict the number of B permits available... They just give the rest of the people an L permit. It doesn't change the number of people here.
L is short term...
http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/...willigung.html

...The period of validity of the permit is identical with the term of the employment contract. In exceptional cases, this permit can be extended to an overall duration of no more than 24 months if the holder works for the same employer throughout this time...
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Re: New Immigration Restrictions in Switzerland

I do believe something had to be done...although this action will only have very limited effect...

The problem is that swiss still have no clue why foreigners are required here and what and who is driving it...majority still thinks that a foreigner comes here and physically takes his job by throwing out the Swiss and then work for free...

The level of stupidity and ignorance is really amazing sometimes...
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Up to now, it was only invoked for the EU-8 countries (the eastern europe accession states from 2004 except Malta & Cyprus) but it will now apply to all EU countries. For a year.
for one year only? seems completely pointless. I could understading introducing restrictions for , say, 5 years. a one year restriction is just a waste of time
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Re: New Immigration Restrictions in Switzerland

I wish there was proper information somewhere... About requirements to apply for each permit... It is all very confusing. I'm (EU) married to a Swiss & was told that I'm only entitled to a 1 year B, if I'd married a EU B permit holder I'd be entitled to a 5 yr B WTF!!!!
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I wish there was proper information somewhere... About requirements to apply for each permit... It is all very confusing. I'm (EU) married to a Swiss & was told that I'm only entitled to a 1 year B, if I'd married a EU B permit holder I'd be entitled to a 5 yr B WTF!!!!
Here is the link to the press release
http://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/bfm/...013-04-24.html
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for one year only? seems completely pointless. I could understading introducing restrictions for , say, 5 years. a one year restriction is just a waste of time
Or a temporary measure to placate the nut job righties of the SVP?
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Re: New Immigration Restrictions in Switzerland

The article says they will refrain from issuing l permits though despite the quota being reached for eu-8. What does that mean then ? They just won't give out any permit and the job will go unfilled ? That's crazy.

Does anyone know if c permits are affected ? I'm up for a c this year and if they give me an l I will tell them to place it in their bottoms.
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Does anyone know if c permits are affected ? I'm up for a c this year and if they give me an l I will tell them to place it in their bottoms.
Same for me. I read about it and, from what I understood, C-permissions are not affected.

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In the case of EU/EFTA nationals, the issue of settlement permits is governed by the provisions of the Foreign Nationals Act and the settlement treaties. This is because the Free Movement of Persons Agreement does not contain any provisions relating to settlement permits. EU-17 (except Cyprus and Malta) and EFTA nationals are granted settlement permits pursuant to settlement treaties or reciprocal agreements after five years’ regular and uninterrupted residence in Switzerland. For Cyprus, Malta, the EU-8 member states, Romania and Bulgaria there are no such treaties.
found here: http://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/bfm/...c_eu_efta.html
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I'm currently in the country (I am a member of the EU) but haven't proceeded to register anywhere as I believe my employer was responsible for doing so (I don't have a signed contract yet). Is there any action I can take before the end of the month? :/
As far as I know, the responsibility for registering is totally yours. You have to register in the Council within 8 days of arrival (although if you take longer and you are not working yet they wouldn't know, since your entry is not registered. But take this in account!) and also you HAVE TO request your work permit before you start to work. And you need a contract and a proof of where you are living for this (rental contract, signed letter from the administration/renter saying that you live there...)

With your contract signed by your employer and you, the proof of address, your passport and the Work Permit Request form (which has to be also signed by your employer!) you simply go to the Office for Foreigners (Ufficio per stranieri here, in the Italian Switzerland) and you get it (two photographs are required as well).

Check out the requirements before you go. I do not know if they change within cantons (I am talking about the requirements for the Canton of Ticino).

I do not know how it works for B permits. I got an L permit since I am here temporary. This restriction does not affect to L-permits, so worst-case-scenario you get an L-permit valid for a whole year, as far as I know. L permits can be extended for another year if you continue working for the same employer, and by that time the immigration restriction will not apply anymore, so I do not think that you'd have any problem.

However, I would try to speed things up as much as possible and get your contract sorted out before the end of the month, if possible.
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The problem is that swiss still have no clue why foreigners are required here and what and who is driving it...majority still thinks that a foreigner comes here and physically takes his job by throwing out the Swiss and then work for free...
You could just as easily substitute the word 'Swiss' with 'British' or 'Australian'....this point of view is not just unique to the Swiss.
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Re: New Immigration Restrictions in Switzerland

I'm British with a B permit in CH. In August I complete 5 years in CH. From what I read above, nothing changes for me and I will be able to request a C permit. Is this correct?
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