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Nestlè boss declares water is not a given right

I just shake my head in shame.

What is the world coming to ? Where do people get off ? Have they no conscience ???

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Re: Nestlè boss declares water is not a given right

What is a sociopathic parasite unashamedly trying to dress up an awful idea as social responsibly?

Staggering greed.
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Re: Nestlè boss declares water is not a given right

The approach is wrong but idea is right.

We have some people who waste water mindlessly and there are others who have to walk miles to get some drinking water. There should surely be no price tag to water, but good control measures are required.
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Re: Nestlè boss declares water is not a given right

Apparently what he said was that some water should be a right but not all water, which makes sense I guess. Remember that we do pay for water costs
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I just shake my head in shame.

What is the world coming to ? Where do people get off ? Have they no conscience ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=nTqvBhFVdvE
Mr Brabeck fails to think to the end. At present, Nestle gets its water free of charge. If water is a foodstuff, Nestle will have to pay millions to the Canton of Vaud.

Mr Brabeck fails to think to the end. If "specific measures" are to be taken for the disadvantaged, Nestle and its subsidiaries will have to pay more taxes
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Re: Nestlè boss declares water is not a given right

Unlike air, which is delivered relatively pure and 100% usable to our nostrils, water requires treatment, filtration and a delivery and retrieval system to be used in a way we understand in developed countries. So this costs? Where's the beef??

True the CEO comes over as nasty piece of work, but running an outfit like Nestlé is not for softies...
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Re: Nestlè boss declares water is not a given right

Responsibility for its shareholders and employees - and finishes by extolling the virtues of their Japanese factory 'hardly any people'
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Apparently what he said was that some water should be a right but not all water, which makes sense I guess. Remember that we do pay for water costs
I'm not arguing the miniscule amount we pay here in developed countries. The costs go towards infrastructure and maintenance...

However, can we actually impose a charge on communities that are already living ridiculously far bellow the poverty line ????
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Re: Nestlè boss declares water is not a given right

There are two plots of land upon which people have created farms.

One has a spring bubbling from beneath the ground, which ensures adequate water, enough that there is a small run off, but no means "plentiful". The second is located in a way to be a beneficiary of the run off.

The owner of the land with the spring wishes to dam up the run off in order to artificially create a larger lake from the spring, which will allow him greater capabilities of irrigation of his own land. This change though will take access of water away from the second farmer.


Do you think that farmer 2 has a "right" to the water from the first farmer's spring, without cost?
Or, do you think he has a "right" to have access to the first farmer's water, but must pay a cost because the water is "rightfully" the property of the first farmer?
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Re: Nestlè boss declares water is not a given right

Well it is now predicted that future wars are more likely to be about water than oil - what a refreshing change
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There are two plots of land upon which people have created farms.

One has a spring bubbling from beneath the ground, which ensures adequate water, enough that there is a small run off, but no means "plentiful". The second is located in a way to be a beneficiary of the run off.

The owner of the land with the spring wishes to dam up the run off in order to artificially create a larger lake from the spring, which will allow him greater capabilities of irrigation of his own land. This change though will take access of water away from the second farmer.


Do you think that farmer 2 has a "right" to the water from the first farmer's spring, without cost?
Or, do you think he has a "right" to have access to the first farmer's water, but must pay a cost because the water is "rightfully" the property of the first farmer?
No but he has the right to sink his own well and tap into the underground water himself !!!

Cost of well, ok. Cost of piping the water to his crops, ok. Cost charged by some multinational company per liter.... NOT OK !!!
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Unlike air, which is delivered relatively pure and 100% usable to our nostrils, water requires treatment, filtration and a delivery and retrieval system to be used in a way we understand in developed countries. So this costs? Where's the beef??

True the CEO comes over as nasty piece of work, but running an outfit like Nestlé is not for softies...
Come on FFS, he simply wants to tap into a new market. Where will it stop ??? Will companies be able to purchase mountain tops and claim ownership to rainwater that falls on them.

He claims to be responsible for all his workers and the longevity of his company. A contradiction in terms because capitalisation requires increasing production rates which means automating production lines to the point where people are no longer required.

The point is that capitalisation knows no end. Every resource must be exploited to it's full extent and in the long run us, the 99% will pay in order for the 1% to increase their profits.

Where lies the responsibility to the greater community ???
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Unlike air, which is delivered relatively pure and 100% usable to our nostrils, water requires treatment, filtration and a delivery and retrieval system to be used in a way we understand in developed countries. So this costs? Where's the beef??

True the CEO comes over as nasty piece of work, but running an outfit like Nestlé is not for softies...
Mr Brabeck is the best chap we have in the Swiss economy, and I admire him and he deserves every cent he earns. So much for that. And no, he is not greedy.

BUT before I buy water from Nestle I purchase an apparatus from Katadyn

http://www.katadyn.com/chde/katadyn-...-wasserfilter/

take a seat on the lake, and refill the stuff into some bottles and get to train and tramstations to sell the water by the bottle

in bad weather I will collect the water on my balcony and purify it happily.
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No but he has the right to sink his own well and tap into the underground water himself !!!

Cost of well, ok. Cost of piping the water to his crops, ok. Cost charged by some multinational company per liter.... NOT OK !!!
Ok, and if his tapping of the underground leads to less water (or even no water) coming up through the spring itself? Then farmer 3 moves in, down the line from 2 and does the same thing...?

Now farmer 1 has no water, when he used to have enough for his own farm - does he have a right to the water to which others have reduced (or denied entirely) his access?

Would farmer 2 have equal right to the water as farmer 1, saying that it is decided that as farmer 1 had the original spring, he has a right to water?



Wars may well be fought over this in the future - they surely have been in the past as well.
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However, can we actually impose a charge on communities that are already living ridiculously far bellow the poverty line ????
Yes.

Why should Nestlé be obliged to provide free services simply because their business involves basic human needs? Providing for the poor is a function of charities or possibly government, not a function of business.
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Yes.

Why should Nestlé be obliged to provide free services simply because their business involves basic human needs? Providing for the poor is a function of charities or possibly government, not a function of business.
AGAINST --- the water does not belong to Nestle or any Nestle subsidiaries
PRO --- providing for the poor is to be paid by taxes
PRO&AGINST -nr.2 -- who pays taxes ? Nestle and others

in other words, in many places, Nestle might be better off, to take matters into its own hands and establish administrations to administrate the free distribution to the needy. YES, I in case of doubt have more trust into Mr Brabeck than into many "rulers" in Africa-Asia
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DE-salination is the way to go. Malta for example, which for years imported water from Sicily which was horrible, years ago changed to free-of-charge DEsalinated water. If these procedures get improved, millions of hectoliters of ocean-water can be transferred inland, in the Western USA, in desert areeas on the African Continent and elsewhere. The dreams of Messrs Khaddafi and Mubarak to have vast lakes deep inland will come true !
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Unlike air, which is delivered relatively pure and 100% usable to our nostrils, water requires treatment, filtration and a delivery and retrieval system to be used in a way we understand in developed countries. So this costs? Where's the beef??
I agree with the above - providing potable water costs big-time. In wealthy and water-rich countries this is more than adequately (for the most part) payed for and administered by the people and the government. Dry and poor countries - not so much.

I am pretty sure, however, that the vision in this man's head is that Nestle would be a (or the) leading provider of water to both the rich and the poor nations. They are already working hard on this one - with many of us blithely falling for the scam of outrageously expensive bottled water instead of free, clean tap water.

He argues that commodification would make us "value" our water more, thereby stewarding it better and allowing for better mechanisms for delivery to the have-not countries. But since when has the free-market been kind to poor countries? Food is commodified, and too many people on this planet are starving. To me, water is way too important to trust to corporate juggernauts whose overriding interest is maximizing profit. Ineffective as they sometimes are, I would take NGOs and governments versus a corporate strangle-hold over "the stuff of life" any day.
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Responsibility for its shareholders and employees - and finishes by extolling the virtues of their Japanese factory 'hardly any people'
I suspect his responsibility is just to shareholders, employees are an expense he would do without if he could!
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Re: Nestlè boss declares water is not a given right

Of course water ressources are constantly being taken by the rich right now already in more ways than one.

Like the farmlands of Southern Spain whose water has been diverted to water the many new golf complexes and luxury villas with pools, leaving the hinterland parched and dying. Same in Goa in India, etc, just 2 examples.
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