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Old 22.10.2013, 17:45
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Re: Suspect arrested in french Alps murder case

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The weapon was a .22 pistol which uses very small bullets, and unless you are very close to a victim would be a poor choice of weapon, especially when after a car full of family members. My money is on an amateur contract killer aiming for the cyclist.
And yet the expert last night commented that it was a Swiss army pistol which was very accurate, easy and fast to load and would probably be only used by someone who knew how to handle it properly.
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Old 22.10.2013, 17:47
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Some time ago the TV reported the cyclist was the target: he was very friendly with the heiress to a fortune in nearby Annecy, and the family wanted rid of him. The British family were killed as they were witnesses.

The weapon was a .22 pistol which uses very small bullets, and unless you are very close to a victim would be a poor choice of weapon, especially when after a car full of family members. My money is on an amateur contract killer aiming for the cyclist.
They said that the weapon was a Luger pistol as used by the Swiss Army, not a .22
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And yet the expert last night commented that it was a Swiss army pistol which was very accurate, easy and fast to load and would probably be only used by someone who knew how to handle it properly.
And that it would be very easy to find one en suisse since so many are available.. So to me, a good choice for a pro, hard to trace.
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The weapon was a .22 pistol which uses very small bullets, and unless you are very close to a victim would be a poor choice of weapon, especially when after a car full of family members. My money is on an amateur contract killer aiming for the cyclist.
I'm not sure that is true. It wouldn't be a bad weapon (it's not a 5.7 but 7.6 and issued as a side arm to officers in the Swiss Army) but it's an odd choice. Edit - aha I see I've been beaten to this point. Curiously it is old enough to be held legally in the UK (where more modern hand guns are banned).


The problem thrown up by the Panorama programme last night was how did the killer find them? He seems to have been waiting, which rather points to an arranged meeting (with the cyclist?). When I'm pottering around on holiday, I hardly know in advance where I'm going.

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Old 22.10.2013, 18:50
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The problem thrown up by the Panorama programme last night was how did the killer find them? He seems to have been waiting, which rather points to an arranged meeting (with the cyclist?).
Latest from French police, they state the killer must have had a partner, and suspect they arrived before the family, on a motorcycle,

"We cannot affirm that this man is the killer. What we do say is that the murders cannot have been the work of a single person. "

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24627783
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Old 22.10.2013, 19:20
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"Alps murders: Efit of motorcyclist to be released"

Something like this I guess
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Re: Suspect arrested in french Alps murder case



It would fit. Also interesting how some of the questions are answered, including repeating back a question verbatim followed by a sharp intake of breath and the idea that it just has to be a local crime.

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"Alps murders: Efit of motorcyclist to be released" Something like this I guess
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Re: Suspect arrested in french Alps murder case

Alps murders: No further action against Zaid al-Hilli

"Surrey Police said there is not enough evidence to charge Zaid al-Hilli, 54, from Chessington. ...

"This remains a French-led investigation and officers from the Surrey and Sussex Major Crime Team continue to work closely with the French authorities.""

Wonder if there will be any new developments in this from the French side
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And that it would be very easy to find one en suisse since so many are available.. So to me, a good choice for a pro, hard to trace.

Many available ?? Hardly, as it is only handed to officers of the army, and so to a relatively limited customer-base. If the weapon IS of CH origin, French police on the basis of the Dublin agreement can co-operate with the relevant Cantonal police unit in Switzerland directly and trace the weapon back. Nasty hours possibly ahead for an officer, as the Cantonal police will hand over to the Military Police
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Old 21.01.2014, 12:24
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Alps murders: No further action against Zaid al-Hilli

"Surrey Police said there is not enough evidence to charge Zaid al-Hilli, 54, from Chessington. ...

"This remains a French-led investigation and officers from the Surrey and Sussex Major Crime Team continue to work closely with the French authorities.""

Wonder if there will be any new developments in this from the French side
To me 'not enough evidence' is very different to 'we have ruled out XXX from our enquiries'. I think this may end up on paper as another unsolved mystery.
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Re: Suspect arrested in french Alps murder case

The frogs may have got the motorcyclist: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26240055
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Re: Suspect arrested in french Alps murder case

And it seems that the suspect was a former local policeman.

The plot thickens.
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They've arrested someone at last.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26240055

Now we just have to wait and see whether they have the right man or not.
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Thanks 3Wishes. Another case of two threads on the same subject in separate parts of the forum.
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Re: Suspect arrested in french Alps murder case

Seems to me like this is the right guy. They have found a Luger in his home, along with a book on the subject, and loads of other guns. So ... gun mad. Still no sign of the Luger actually used though...

He was identified from an identikit picture of his helmetted face. Apparently a very unusual model of helmet... Also his phone GPS puts him in the right place at the right time, BUT he has family there and claims that he was with them. A strange man, booted out of the police for fiddling expenses and living more or less like a hermit since.

So, it looks like the "lone nutter" theory was the right one & all contract killer / Secret service conspiracy theories were way off. Cyclist and family were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Many available ?? Hardly, as it is only handed to officers of the army
Another "I've ofen wondered" question.

Do armies and police forces routinely test fire and keep records of their firearms' firing-pin and barrel markings?
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Another "I've ofen wondered" question.

Do armies and police forces routinely test fire and keep records of their firearms' firing-pin and barrel markings?
Yes, to the first question.
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Cyclist and family were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I'm still not entirely convinced that the brother is not involved in some way.
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Re: Suspect arrested in french Alps murder case

Just heard on the news that there has been another person 'taken into custody'
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