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Switzerland in top 10 in 2012 PISA survey (mathematics)

The OECD has just released the results from the 2012 PISA (Programme for International Student Assessment) programme. As in each 3-year period, they tested 15-year-old school pupils performance in reading, science and mathematics. This time the main focus for was mathematics.

The pupils from Switzerland made the top 10 in the mathematics score and achieved the best results of all Western (in the culturual sense) countries behind Liechtenstein. Here the top 10 and their respective average score (OECD average 494):
  1. Shanghai-China 613
  2. Singapore 573
  3. Hong Kong-China 561
  4. Chinese Taipei 560
  5. Korea 554
  6. Macao-China 538
  7. Japan 536
  8. Liechtenstein 535
  9. Switzerland 531
  10. Netherlands 523

This is how the tests are performed:
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Each student takes a two-hour handwritten test. Part of the test is multiple-choice and part involves fuller answers. There are six and a half hours of assessment material, but each student is not tested on all the parts. Following the cognitive test, participating students spend nearly one more hour answering a questionnaire on their background including learning habits, motivation and family. School directors fill in a questionnaire describing school demographics, funding, etc.
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Pisa Results Educational Standards Switzerland

I find it pleasing to see how high up in the international rankings Switzerland comes. If you are worried about the schooling standards here then please check out this link, it may reassure you somewhat!

Switzerland and Liechtenstein are ranked the highest in Europe!

Unlike their Asia counterparts it seems Swiss teenagers also have more balance in their lives.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/data...-maths-science
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Re: Switzerland in top 10 in 2012 PISA survey (mathematics)

On the other hand, with all due respect, I haven't heard of Switzerland in top-notch student competitions, like the Olympiads.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...tical_Olympiad
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What a load of rubbish. Anyone who has ever worked with Swiss kids would tell you, that this is another skewed statistics...sorta like the Mercer quality of life index.
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Re: Switzerland in top 10 in 2012 PISA survey (mathematics)

There is now also an article on Tagi [German].
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... and a sad day for Sweden....
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What a load of rubbish. Anyone who has ever worked with Swiss kids would tell you, that this is another skewed statistics...sorta like the Mercer quality of life index.
Sometimes I really find it hard to tell if you are doing an impression of yourself or if you really think that way.
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Sometimes I really find it hard to tell if you are doing an impression of yourself or if you really think that way.
What's 1 + 1?
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There is now also an article on Tagi [German].

As we can see from the article, reading comprhension and science is not so good in Switzerland.

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"In keinem anderen europäischen Land sind die Schüler besser in Mathe als in der Schweiz. Nur Koreaner, Singapurer und Chinesen schlagen die hiesigen 15-jährigen. "
Reading ranking 1-20:
Shanghai-china, Hong Kong-China, Singapore, Japan, Korea, Finland, Canada, Chinese Taipei, Ireland, Poland, Estonia, Liechtenstein, Australia, New Zealand, Netherlands, Macao-China, Switzerland, Belgium, Viet Nam, Germany

Science Ranking 1-20:
Shanghai-China, Hong Kong-China, Singapore, Japan, Finland, Estonia, Korea, Viet Nam, Poland, Liechtenstein, Canada, Germany, Chinese Taipei, Netherlands, Ireland, Macao-China, Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland, Slovenia
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On the other hand, with all due respect, I haven't heard of Switzerland in top-notch student competitions, like the Olympiads.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...tical_Olympiad

Sorry we trained too hard to get good results in other competitions:
http://www.worldskillsleipzig2013.co...ent/medalists/
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Sorry we trained too hard to get good results in other competitions:
http://www.worldskillsleipzig2013.co...ent/medalists/
Hells bells . . . if that does not provoke some interesting discussion . . . . nothing will!
I had no idea that such an event existed.
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What a load of rubbish. Anyone who has ever worked with Swiss kids would tell you, that this is another skewed statistics...sorta like the Mercer quality of life index.
I have 2 Swiss kids (one of which is 15). PLease enlighten us on your in-depth knowledge of the test and how the results are calculated.
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Sorry we trained too hard to get good results in other competitions:
http://www.worldskillsleipzig2013.co...ent/medalists/

Oh dear

"Wall and Florr Tiling
GOLD: Bohmfalk, Björn – Germany
GOLD: Siegenthaler, Thomas Fabian – Switzerland
GOLD: Liebenauer, Thomas – Austria
BRONZE: Ageneau, Basile – France"
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Re: Switzerland in top 10 in 2012 PISA survey (mathematics)

Out of curiosity, is there a list of the Swiss schools that took PISA exam? It would be interesting to see a breakdown by canton/type of school.
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As we can see from the article, reading comprhension and science is not so good in Switzerland.



Reading ranking 1-20:
Shanghai-china, Hong Kong-China, Singapore, Japan, Korea, Finland, Canada, Chinese Taipei, Ireland, Poland, Estonia, Liechtenstein, Australia, New Zealand, Netherlands, Macao-China, Switzerland, Belgium, Viet Nam, Germany

Science Ranking 1-20:
Shanghai-China, Hong Kong-China, Singapore, Japan, Finland, Estonia, Korea, Viet Nam, Poland, Liechtenstein, Canada, Germany, Chinese Taipei, Netherlands, Ireland, Macao-China, Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland, Slovenia
At least CH, unlike the UK and US, is in the top 20!

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On the other hand, with all due respect, I haven't heard of Switzerland in top-notch student competitions, like the Olympiads.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...tical_Olympiad
Having participated in these competitions myself, I am not sure how it is related to general education level. Success on these competitions depends on those organizing them in the country, tradition of the country in the field and many times it is a couple of "super" high schools in a country that have pupils successful at these competitions.
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Re: Switzerland in top 10 in 2012 PISA survey (mathematics)

AS to those who have expressed concerns towards biasedness on this test, I agree. I have supervised some children here, and even some ETH students have quite poor maths knowledge (e.g. not being able to sum up two fractions)
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AS to those who have expressed concerns towards biasedness on this test, I agree. I have supervised some children here, and even some ETH students have quite poor maths knowledge (e.g. not being able to sum up two fractions)
Each such test has flaws by definition.

E.g. in the PISA programme the language the test has to be done in and the resulting comparability of the results raises some questions. What does it mean if a Chinese is better in reading Mandarin Chinese than a Swiss (German speaking) in reading German? This applies also to the other sections because of the wording of the exercises. An other criticism is regarding topics that are covered within the test (what is really important? Which country lies emphasis on what?).

That one has worked with students who had problems in certain areas is however not an indicator of bias in the study as it is only anecdotal evidence. Not all Austrians/men/women/people from Unterägeri are daft, just because I found some notable examples.
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Re: Switzerland in top 10 in 2012 PISA survey (mathematics)

This is true-all tests of educational achievement are flawed. There's actually been a lot of research on the PISA tests regarding methodology and country-specific flaws. These studies suggest that, more than anecdotal evidence, there are systemic flaws in test implementation that can strongly influence country scores. These, unfortunately, tend to lag far behind the PISA results (for obvious reasons).

From a critical review of the 2000 PISA:

"The issue of response bias due to pupils having already left school, by the date of the survey, may be expected to be even more serious in countries where 15 is the age when obligatory full-time schooling ends as, for example, in many parts of Switzerland and Germany, but much depends on the survey's coverage of part-time vocational colleges. Vocational colleges in these countries were sampled in respect of their 15 year olds; pupil-response rates have been published for Germany, but reached only a disappointing 44% (compared to 86% for the inquiry as a whole in that country)."

http://www.oecd.org/edu/school/progr...a/33680693.pdf
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