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Old 06.07.2014, 23:19
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I've even heard an Austrian becoming the supreme ruler of Germany.
and another of California.
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I've even heard an Austrian becoming the supreme ruler of Germany.
An Austrian born. Then stateless, then as German citizen supreme ruler of Germany.
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Old 07.07.2014, 06:39
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In Michigan Jennifer Granholm, previously the Attorney General and State Governor, holds both Canadian and American citizenships. Which some think isn't ethical to be governor of a state that borders the other country holds allegiance to.


I don't know about Switzerland. Can they?
YES, Swiss citizens can have as many other citizenships as they can and want
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Old 07.07.2014, 14:09
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An Austrian born. Then stateless, then as German citizen supreme ruler of Germany.
Then rescued by UFOs and became secret ruler of the world from an underground base in Argentina, and apparently, still alive at the grand old age of 120 and something.

Quite a career for a failed artist.
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Then rescued by UFOs and became secret ruler of the world from an underground base in Argentina, and apparently, still alive at the grand old age of 120 and something.

Quite a career for a failed artist.
Except the part Faltrad wrote was true, and the part you wrote was BS.
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Except the part Faltrad wrote was true, and the part you wrote was BS.
Wot? You are suggesting that the stuff I read on the internets is BS?
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Old 07.07.2014, 14:25
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An Austrian born. Then stateless, then as German citizen supreme ruler of Germany.
I'm no expert on the period, but at the time of his birth, wouldn't Braunau am Inn have been part of the K&K Doppelmonarchie, so he would have been born a subject of Austria-Hungary, then later became a citizen of the Republic of Austria etc? His German citizenship would thus have been his third citizenship, not his second.
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Wot? You are suggesting that the stuff I read on the internets is BS?
No. I am saying you made something up. I get the sarcasm.
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Old 07.07.2014, 14:55
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I'm no expert on the period, but at the time of his birth, wouldn't Braunau am Inn have been part of the K&K Doppelmonarchie, so he would have been born a subject of Austria-Hungary, then later became a citizen of the Republic of Austria etc? His German citizenship would thus have been his third citizenship, not his second.
Subjects of Austria-Hungary had a nationality (Austrian, Czech etc.) defined by language. Technically, Austrians were Germans in their own paper work, but not Germans from Germany. Otherwise, it was Cisleithania (Austria) and Transleithania (Hungary).

He lost Austrian citizenship when he refused to go to military service and enrolled himself into imperial German army for first world war instead. After the war, he stayed stateless, so even after his revolution in Munich, he was undeportable. The scandalous part of the story is that he was allowed to gain German citizenship afterwards. Politics.
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Mr Aebi is Bernese and Swiss but wants to be Basler and Swiss

You see, when the Catholic northern part of the Bernese Jura seceded from the Canton of Bern, the German speaking Laufental was separated from Bern Mainland by the new Canton of Jura.

Mr Aebi therefore pushed through that the Laufental joined the Canton of Basel-Land., while many people in the Laufental felt Bernese, and regarded Mr Aebi as a traitor to their cause
This is belated, but thanks for the information, Wolli. I was suprised to find an article in English Wikpedia explaining how Laufental got cut off from the Canton of Bern by Jura, and subsequently joined BaselLand after a referendum was held.

Now I suppose that Laufental COULD have remained a part of Bern Canton. In the same map I saw two exclaves of Solothurn Canton north of Laufental which did NOT choose to join Baselland as Laufental did. Considering that it was a referendum that made the canton change possible and other people in Laufental obviously agreed with Aebi that it was the right thing to do, in my opinion it's extremely petty not to allow him citizenship of the village.
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Old 07.07.2014, 15:01
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He lost Austrian citizenship when he refused to go to military service and enrolled himself into imperial German army for first world war instead. After the war, he stayed stateless
No, he became stateless in 1925, of his own volition.

"In April 1925 Hitler gave up his Austrian citizenship. The reason for this was that the police authority in Munich wanted to expel Hitler, who had been convicted of high treason, and to send him back to his native country where he was under threat of punishment for desertion, on top of everything else."

http://www.onthisday80yearsago.com/2...ruary-26-1933/

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Old 07.07.2014, 15:19
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Subjects of Austria-Hungary had a nationality (Austrian, Czech etc.) defined by language. Technically, Austrians were Germans in their own paper work, but not Germans from Germany. Otherwise, it was Cisleithania (Austria) and Transleithania (Hungary).
That would make it similar to the Soviet Union where everybody held two "citizenships", one to the Soviet Union (this was the only one recognised internationally) and a second "citizenship" of your ethnic group (thus you could be Russian, Uzbeki, German, Jewish, or a whole range of others ... this would be determined by birth and printed somewhere in your Soviet passport, if you immigrated it could even be your country of origin so technically you could even have Nigerian for example). At least this is how a Russian work colleague explained it to me. The second "citizenship" was purely internal, did not confer any real rights or priviledges and was more akin to the Swiss "Bürgerort".
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No, he became stateless in 1925, of his own volition.
Thank you, I was misinformed and/or mixed up dates. Sorry for that. Point was:
Austrian - stateless - German - Chancelor.
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That would make it similar to the Soviet Union
Yes indeed. I understood though that in KuK, it was language. In the Soviet Union, it was ethnicity. Jew being one of them if I remember right. Very similar thinking. Those "puzzle-states" find similar solutions, I suppose.
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Thank you, I was misinformed and/or mixed up dates. Sorry for that. Point was:
Austrian - stateless - German - Chancelor.

Yes indeed. I understood though that in KuK, it was language. In the Soviet Union, it was ethnicity. Jew being one of them if I remember right. Very similar thinking. Those "puzzle-states" find similar solutions, I suppose.
to take over "Deutsch-Oesterreich" therefore was important to him as only this secured his double-position (Leader of the German Empire / Imperial Chancellor)
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Re: Aisha Mohammed was refused 4 times swiss citizenship!

The Aargau legislature has approved the naturalization of Aisha Mohammad inspite of the fact that the community had rejected her application, four times:

http://www.aargauerzeitung.ch/aargau...gert-129580488
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Shameful. Giving citizenships to people who don't deserve it nor have integrated well in the Swiss society. I wouldn't have the cheek to accept it this way either.
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Old 24.09.2015, 14:37
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Isn't it then also a logical fallacy to say that she didn't get accepted because she is brown skinned and it's about racism?

I think Smoky hit the nail on the head. If the reports are to believed she is clearly not integrated. I'm going through facilitate naturalization to the communes can't really say anything. But my interviews were in French and they asked me questions such as if I attended the local fetes, do I have friends, am I part of local groups/clubs, list of Swiss references, etc. And if you read the application form for regular naturalization it's ALL stuff like that. Pages of it.

Her kids were raised here. They are clearly liked and integrated. She isn't. Sad. But maybe she should make more of an effort to learn the language, make peace with the neighbors, go to the stupid fetes with her kids, etc. Then if she doesn't get it.....



Well, on this we agree. Sadly I'm guessing that "Are you as much of an asshole as we are?" is not one of the questions.

But the photo Under 143 shows that they both are WHITE skinned and NOT Brown skinned at all
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A dubious single case that is thankfully brought to your attention by the selfess Islamic lobby on EF. Go ahead and show them your support with an 11th page of answers
interesting ..... so that the Aargauer Zeitung is part of the Islamic lobby ? In the Canton of Zürich, such matters are a Cantonal matter
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Shameful. Giving citizenships to people who don't deserve it nor have integrated well in the Swiss society. I wouldn't have the cheek to accept it this way either.
Well, I can't read in German, so I will guess:

The community may have simply stated comments about how she looks and moves like "we don't like how she dresses, we don't like her because she does not smile back or say good morning back" and crap like that.

Of course the decision must be based on the objective worth of the person and not on very subjective comments.

So, sorry to contradict you on this, but she is worthy to be Swiss as the Swiss authorities have decided so.
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Well, I can't read in German, so I will guess:

The community may have simply stated comments about how she looks and moves like "we don't like how she dresses, we don't like her because she does not smile back or say good morning back" and crap like that.

Of course the decision must be based on the objective worth of the person and not on very subjective comments.

So, sorry to contradict you on this, but she is worthy to be Swiss as the Swiss authorities have decided so.
If you can't read it in German, why do you even make a comment on something you have absolutely no idea on?!

Issues were far beyond the way she dressed etc, plenty of Pakistani people get citizenships in Switzerland, so color can not be the issue here, rather her behaviour.

I simply can't understand why do you comment on something you didn't even read?! Honestly?!
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