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Her motives seem clear to me. She's spent over 2 decades in the country and it's her home. Her children were born here and are Swiss and she wishes to spend the rest of her life here.
And who is stopping her to do that?
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So she doesn't fulfill the basic criteria for getting citizenship, she is on social help and her husband is a convicted criminal. Why is this in the news anyway?
People keep citing the social help as the reason for refusal when in the newspaper article the reasons are her not attending some carnivals and not saying hello to people on the street.

The newspaper article even says she meets the criteria yet you all seem to know better
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Old 26.06.2014, 14:03
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Re: Aisha Mohammed was refused 4 times swiss citizenship!

I think we can all relate to being blanked or ignored after greeting someone at some point in our lives, whether they be a foreigner or not.

Has happened to me in Swiss and the UK! Does it bother me? No. Not one iota. It's their problem, not mine. Life's just too short!

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I found the reason given about not greeting people in the street quite amusing, if only because I can relate to it myself. We have a family in our building (who also happen to be Pakistani), and non of them react when you greet them with a smile. They almost look offended by the gesture. Now if there's something that really boils my piss it's a lack of common courtesy.
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People keep citing the social help as the reason for refusal when in the newspaper article the reasons are her not attending some carnivals and not saying hello to people on the street.

The newspaper article even says she meets the criteria yet you all seem to know better
Yes, it's called racism.
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And who is stopping her to do that?
As others have said if she leaves the country for an extended period of time (for whatever reason) she may not be allowed back in.

She feels Swiss and wants Swiss citizenship. She meets the criteria so I'm not sure why her motives need questioned
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And since they live in Switzerland not Pakistan it's their Allah given right to not say hello back to you when they don't want too.

Apparently the consequences of this are not being granted citizenship.
Indeedy, well it gives me great pleasure to learn that being an ignorant shithead is reason enough not grant citizenship here.
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People keep citing the social help as the reason for refusal when in the newspaper article the reasons are her not attending some carnivals and not saying hello to people on the street.

The newspaper article even says she meets the criteria yet you all seem to know better
LOL, and you believe the article and her that she fulfills all the criteria but the locals don't like her?! Honestly, do you believe a government official would deny citizenship for not attending carnivals and saying hello?

Honestly
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As others have said if she leaves the country for an extended period of time (for whatever reason) she may not be allowed back in.

She feels Swiss and wants Swiss citizenship. She meets the criteria so I'm not sure why her motives need questioned
Dude, she doesn't meet the critera, she has used social help, if you are on social help in CH you can never get citizenship, it's plain simple, if you are convicted, you can't get citizenship, if you are married and you try to get citizenship on your own it will be rejected etc

So no she doesn't meet the criteria, as long as she stays in CH for more than 6 months a year nobody will deport her
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Old 26.06.2014, 14:15
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LOL, and you believe the article and her that she fulfills all the criteria but the locals don't like her?! Honestly, do you believe a government official would deny citizenship for not attending carnivals and saying hello?

Honestly
It's a vote by a council at a community meeting that rejected her. The federal government and the canton accepted her. It's the last hurdle which she is stumbling on.
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Dude, she doesn't meet the critera, she has used social help, if you are on social help in CH you can never get citizenship, it's plain simple, if you are convicted, you can't get citizenship, if you are married and you try to get citizenship on your own it will be rejected etc
Then how come she has gotten the green light at both the Cantonal and Federal level? Surely they are the best judges of whether she meets the technical requirements, not the village town hall.
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It's a vote by a council at a community that rejected her. The federal government and the canton accepted her. It's the last hurdle which she is stumbling on.
Do you purposely miss the fact that she is on social help and her husband is a convicted criminal or it doesn't fit in your view for the subject?
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Then how come she has gotten the green light at both the Cantonal and Federal level? Surely they are the best judges of whether she meets the technical requirements, not the village town hall.
It was said before, most likely the local commune provided the social help, so they are the one denied her application. And also they are the one checking the CRIMINAL RECORDS.

On another thread here on EF an American was denied C permit from the local town hall because he had criminal record for speeding. But that didn't end up in the news.
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Do you purposely miss the fact that she is on social help and her husband is a convicted criminal or it doesn't fit in your view for the subject?
Have you got a link to prove that having a spouse with a criminal record who is NOT on the application denies citizenship? Why did the children get citizenship if their father is a convicted criminal?

Why have none of the articles that have been posted mentioned social help being the reason for rejection of her application?

If these are the reasons then I'm happy to say that the decision was correct. But the only people saying these are the reasons are people in this thread. Hardly a reliable source.
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Have you got a link to prove that having a spouse with a criminal record who is NOT on the application denies citizenship? Why did the children get citizenship if their father is a convicted criminal?

Why have none of the articles that have been posted mentioned social help being the reason for rejection of her application?

If these are the reasons then I'm happy to say that the decision was correct. But the only people saying these are the reasons are people in this thread. Hardly a reliable source.
I can tell you that a friend of mine was not able to apply for citizenship because her husband didn't want to become Swiss. The authorities rejected the application.

Children can get naturalized at age 18 "solo" meaning without their parents

Here is the link where it says for social help and criminal record:

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Have you got a link to prove that having a spouse with a criminal record who is NOT on the application denies citizenship? Why did the children get citizenship if their father is a convicted criminal?

Why have none of the articles that have been posted mentioned social help being the reason for rejection of her application?

If these are the reasons then I'm happy to say that the decision was correct. But the only people saying these are the reasons are people in this thread. Hardly a reliable source.
it was decided by a voting in the community. no motivation needs to be given in the process. if the voters think that the spouse's history or social help is relevant, then it is relevant in the process.
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I can tell you that a friend of mine was not able to apply for citizenship because her husband didn't want to become Swiss. The authorities rejected the application.

Children can get naturalized at age 18 "solo" meaning without their parents

Here is the link where it says for social help and criminal record:

Aisha Mohammed was refused 4 times swiss citizenship!
The link says she was on social assistance. Not that that was the reason for rejection (although happy to be proven wrong since my German is non-existant and I'm relying on google translate)

I don't care about your anecdotal evidence.
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Seems a bit similar to when new people come to Englishforum - Assimilate and kiss bu** on the veterans or they make your stay here "unpleasant".

OH GOD, she forgot to write a proper post in the I am new seciton of the Rathaus! Or even worse, she tried selling her car in Erlinsbach.
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Exactly. What does she think she is? Some caucasion with a mullet?

Do you think a swiss living in Pakistan would get citizenship if she didn't say salam to anyone?
It's actually quite difficult to get Pakistani citizenship. About the only way that a Swiss national could get it is by seeking asylum from persecution and that would, of course, be rejected.

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Her children were born here
Where does it say that?

They moved here 20 years ago (May 1994), three of her children are adults, at least one was not born here as he is 22 (don't know about the others).

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Ironically, she'd lose her Pakistani citizenship if she became a Swiss National.
Why is that? Pakistan allows for dual nationality, indeed I am one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_citizenship

Pakistan allows dual citizenship with only 16 countries: Australia, Belgium, Canada, Egypt, France, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Jordan, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, the United Kingdom, and the United States.
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