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Old 26.06.2014, 16:18
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Re: Aisha Mohammed was refused 4 times swiss citizenship!

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No it's not, especially when the "unfortunate conditions" were entirely self inflicted by way of a sham marriage.
I didn't say I support sham mariages. I simply think hate-reporting is symptomatic. Quite a phenomenon.
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Old 26.06.2014, 16:21
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Re: Aisha Mohammed was refused 4 times swiss citizenship!

https://www.bfm.admin.ch//bfm/en/hom...orlaeufig.html

An f permit is not illegal
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Old 26.06.2014, 16:22
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She knows her fellow villagers have the final say on the passport issue, for what ever reason she has pissed them off, and continues to piss them off, seriously if someone branded you a racist in the press would you vote yes for them?

What goes around comes around, and whatever she has done has come around and bitten her on the arse, story over.

If she *really* wants a swiss passport she can just move to a kanton that is a bit less strict.

She's waiting so long anyway a few more years isn't going to kill her.

Like with so many of these 'stories' its what isn't being reported that is the real story.
Exactly, this is what it boils down too. It's far too easy to go about waving the race card when the fact of the matter is that having your citizenship granted by your neighbours is probably the fairest method possible. They're the ones best placed to judge if you've integrated well and they're the ones that to live with you long term.

Enough people get the Swiss passport each year to show the system does work (and I'm sure a few Pakistani's manage this too). It could be the community voted against her for the simple reason that she's an asshole.
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I didn't write that she's currently illegal but that she was for the vast proportion of her stay in this country.
not illegal but on an F permit.
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Old 26.06.2014, 16:24
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As others have said if she leaves the country for an extended period of time (for whatever reason) she may not be allowed back in.

She feels Swiss and wants Swiss citizenship. She meets the criteria so I'm not sure why her motives need questioned
i don't know what the legal footing of this is, but i read somewhere that Swiss citizenship is considered a priveledge, not a right. Therefore being able to tick all boxes may not be sufficient in all cases.

This is not just typically Swiss. I have friend who acquired British citizenship some years ago and he had some guys come over to his house and ask him all sorts of questions to gauge his general attitude, but they also quizzed him on his hobbies and sports and all sorts of things.
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Old 26.06.2014, 16:29
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Re: Aisha Mohammed was refused 4 times swiss citizenship!

The first village we lived in here was one that still had the public vote on passports, then it was a secret vote, but they changed quite recently to an open vote, anyway, think about it, her peers are actively choosing to take time out of there day to make sure she doesn't get a passport, how much has she hacked these people off??? In our old village I don't remember anyone failing the vote (and it was an SVP village with a large turkish community) even people who where a bit of a pain, or had kids who where a bit of a pain won the vote.

how could you live in a village where only 22 people voted yes for you? knowing over 200 would prefer you buggered off, she must have some thick skin.
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Old 26.06.2014, 16:31
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The first village we lived in here was one that still had the public vote on passports, then it was a secret vote, but they changed quite recently to an open vote, anyway, think about it, her peers are actively choosing to take time out of there day to make sure she doesn't get a passport, how much has she hacked these people off??? In our old village I don't remember anyone failing the vote (and it was an SVP village with a large turkish community) even people who where a bit of a pain, or had kids who where a bit of a pain won the vote.

how could you live in a village where only 22 people voted yes for you? knowing over 200 would prefer you buggered off, she must have some brown skin.
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Old 26.06.2014, 16:32
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given they voted her kids in I really don't see this is a race issue
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Old 26.06.2014, 16:35
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What an uncooth way to report about other people's unfortunate conditions.
There's nothing uncooth about the expression "blew up in her face", it doesn't necessarily even carry a negative connotation. Were you thinking of something else?
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Old 26.06.2014, 16:37
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given they voted her kids in I really don't see this is a race issue
None are as blind as those who do not wish to see.
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Old 26.06.2014, 16:38
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None are as blind as those who do not wish to see.

not sure what you're trying to say

maybe they are just being sexist with a hint of ageist?
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Old 26.06.2014, 16:38
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Re: Aisha Mohammed was refused 4 times swiss citizenship!

it's been a fascinating thread, thanks to all on here, but I still don't really know the full story, the summary link doesn't work for me.
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Old 26.06.2014, 16:40
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it's been a fascinating thread, thanks to all on here, but I still don't really know the full story, the summary link doesn't work for me.

woman fails village passport vote 4 times, plays the race card, end of story
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Old 26.06.2014, 16:41
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None are as blind as those who do not wish to see.
You learned to debate in politics, I guess, where emotion is more important than logic?

What's the argument here? That her kids are "less brown" than she is and thus racism wasn't an issue for them?
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Old 26.06.2014, 16:46
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You learned to debate in politics, I guess, where emotion is more important than logic?

What's the argument here? That her kids are "less brown" than she is and thus racism wasn't an issue for them?
And what logical fallacy is it to say that they let at least 1 brown person be Swiss so they can't POSSIBLY be racist can they?

Hardly enough data to draw any conclusions.

And before you say that's as much evidence as I have for them to be racist you're wrong.

Their wishy washy reasons about not attending festivals or saying hello are enough for me. If it was due to her claiming social (valid reason IMO) then this wouldn't be a story.

If it's because she's an asshole then she would be a perfect fit for the commune she's applying in.
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Old 26.06.2014, 16:49
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Re: Aisha Mohammed was refused 4 times swiss citizenship!

I would assume you can give a whole list of reasons why you don't want her in, but for the press its best to give the crap reason

just under didn't go to carnival may have been

Stole neighbours car
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Old 26.06.2014, 16:53
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Re: Aisha Mohammed was refused 4 times swiss citizenship!

Whatever the reasons, it doesn't matter, her commune has voted no 4 times, all the bitching in the world isn't going to make them vote yes for her, she's well and truly burnt her bridges in that village
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And you are first and foremost a citizen of your town.

Or a town or two that you've never been to.

Tom
yeah I know but I didn't want to dwelve into details, as most 100% natives are a citizen (and usually also a patrician) of some valley village in the same canton they live in but live in the urban areas, and the requirement to go to your village of origin to get social aid has been removed a few years ago, so village citizenship isn't that important anymore.

Although I guess it's relevant for the citizens of Moutier if the city switches cantons in the future.
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let me now reveal the real reason: she refuses to wear white socks
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most 100% natives are a citizen (and usually also a patrician) of some valley village in the same canton they live in
My wife is a citizen of two villages in two different cantons (ZH and SG), but has never lived in either canton, nor does she speak the language!

And at this time of year she is quite brown indeed.

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