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Old 03.09.2015, 09:54
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The EU should have respected its own legislation before asking others to respect the agreements they have signed; in re. with access of E.U.-2 (and Croatia) this is a little too little and little too late. 90% of immigrants from these countries emigrated (to countries like Italy, Spain which are not really known by any generous welfare system re.immigrants, btw) before their countries joined the E.U., so the relatively few people who'll come to CH, will come here anyway - with the non-EU legislation. (like before, like today)
Just so you know.
Risking to be called once again a racist Greek who hates Romanians, I will have to show you this table from Wikipedia.
EU's legislation provides for some time before its member states have to give to new member states full access to their job markets. So although some countries delayed this for Romanians and Bulgarians, right now your people are as free as Germans, Spaniards and Danes to move to another country for work. Maximum delay is 2+3+2 years, so in 2014 (7 years after joining the EU) all EU countries lifted the restrictions. So the EU is respecting its own legislation.

The Swiss have decided to extend the limitations for Romanians and Bulgarians for an additional two years, which I just realized that is supposed to not be allowed.
Anybody knows if the EU has reacted to this?


PS. I like how Croatia is also restricting the citizens of the countries that are still doing so for Croatians. It's probably pointless but symbolic.
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Old 03.09.2015, 10:03
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Risking to be called once again a racist Greek who hates Romanians, I will have to show you this table from Wikipedia.
EU's legislation provides for some time before its member states have to give to new member states full access to their job markets. So although some countries delayed this for Romanians and Bulgarians, right now your people are as free as Germans, Spaniards and Danes to move to another country for work. Maximum delay is 2+3+2 years, so in 2014 (7 years after joining the EU) all EU countries lifted the restrictions. So the EU is respecting its own legislation.

The Swiss have decided to extend the limitations for Romanians and Bulgarians for an additional two years, which I just realized that is supposed to not be allowed.
Anybody knows if the EU has reacted to this?


PS. I like how Croatia is also restricting the citizens of the countries that are still doing so for Croatians. It's probably pointless but symbolic.

Switzerland have something called the "safeguard clause" in their agreements with the EU that allows, for example, to extend the limitations for Romanians and Bulgarians for an additional two years.
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Risking to be called once again a racist Greek who hates Romanians, I will have to show you this table from Wikipedia.
EU's legislation provides for some time before its member states have to give to new member states full access to their job markets. So although some countries delayed this for Romanians and Bulgarians, right now your people are as free as Germans, Spaniards and Danes to move to another country for work. Maximum delay is 2+3+2 years, so in 2014 (7 years after joining the EU) all EU countries lifted the restrictions. So the EU is respecting its own legislation.

The Swiss have decided to extend the limitations for Romanians and Bulgarians for an additional two years, which I just realized that is supposed to not be allowed.
Anybody knows if the EU has reacted to this?


PS. I like how Croatia is also restricting the citizens of the countries that are still doing so for Croatians. It's probably pointless but symbolic.
So "my people" are free to go, reside/work and generally enjoy the EU citizen status anywhere within E.U. they wish to theoretically, because "field experience" tells, even currently, a different story. It's pointless to quote here endless articles and studies.
On the other hand, those who wanted to immigrate/migrate have already done so, even before accession to E.U. Thus, the additional measures taken by some of the EU members were pointless, and it only proved that EU is discriminating its own citizens.
Therefore, isn't a bit hypocritical to ask Switzerland to behave any different? Especially since it's not even an EU country.

And frankly, I don't know why you insist bringing this subject up, because definitely there will be no more interest for CH than what Italians, French or Germans currently have. If renegotiating of free movement will affect someone, they will be the Italians, Portuguese, Spaniards, Germans and French. I mean, you just have to look around and realise this.
In another post you said that lifting restrictions for E.U.-2 will be a test for CH. Really? They did this for Poland too and the earth is still in one piece. No, the real test will be to tell the countries I mentioned above that they won't enjoy unrestricted immigration status.

P.S. I never called you a racist and I don't even think you are one, but I was a bit irritated by the rather condescending tone you adopted. (a question of perception, even if you probably didn't intend to sound like this)
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Switzerland have something called the "safeguard clause" in their agreements with the EU that allows, for example, to extend the limitations for Romanians and Bulgarians for an additional two years.
I see, thanls for explaining.
Thus for CH the maximum delay is 2+3+2+2=9 years.
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PS. I like how Croatia is also restricting the citizens of the countries that are still doing so for Croatians. It's probably pointless but symbolic.
No, that is pointless, although I also congratulate them.
I'd like Romania to restrict companies like Ikea to own 35 000 hectares from Romanian woods (oak woods, something that few in Europe still have) for instance....and many, many other dubious things and swindles like this.
That would be much more efficient. But our corrupted politicians are supported by EU corrupted politicians so I don't foresee anything like this in the near future. Someday, maybe.
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So "my people" are free to go, reside/work and generally enjoy the EU citizen status anywhere within E.U. they wish to theoretically, because "field experience" tells, even currently, a different story. It's pointless to quote here endless articles and studies.
As a matter of fact I am interested to know what is actually happening and what situation Romanians and Bulgarians face in the UK, Germany etc.
If you care to provide one or two recent (2015) articles from the Romanian press, I would really like to read them (thanks to Google Translate ).
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As a matter of fact I am interested to know what is actually happening and what situation Romanians and Bulgarians face in the UK, Germany etc.
If you care to provide one or two recent (2015) articles from the Romanian press, I would really like to read them (thanks to Google Translate ).
Still waiting for an article or a study, hopefully you'll find the time in the weekend.


And I am still waiting for you to show one post of mine (not some other Greek's) that bothered you so much that you had to launch this offensive against me. I would like to be given the chance to apologize.

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Still waiting for an article or a study, hopefully you'll find the time in the weekend.


And I am still waiting for you to show one post of mine (not some other Greek's) that bothered you so much that you had to launch this offensive against me. I would like to be given the chance to apologize.
I would if it wouldn't be so off topic.
I tried yesterday to quickly gather some links and gave up because I think it's pointless. Not respecting EU legislation when it comes to people from EU-2 (for sure others from the Eastern block too but hey, since there's so much focus on them only...) is the norm across EU and I don't mean the white-collar class, obviously.
Not because they are still not allowed to work - but because they too pay taxes and according to EU legislation should enjoy similar rights as local workers. But I guess that's the price for joining this thing called EU in which no-one believes anymore.
Anyway, Switzerland is almost non-existent for "my people" who want to work abroad, so I think this discussion is a bit futile.

Switzerland should decide if they want to restrict immigration from the main sources- Italy, Germany, Portugal, France and Spain...if they really want to do something. Making such a fuss for some mainly (IT) engineers from Romania/Bulgaria seems ridiculous to me. They'll come anyway, trust me.
Now I don't say that Switzerland shouldn't respect those agreements, I'm only saying they're not so important for us as others might think. We expect EU to treat its citizens better.
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Re: EU rejects renegotiation of free movement

The EU signed its own death warrant after expanding from EU-15 to EU-28

Now it needs to go back to EU-17. That is EU-15 + Malta and Cyprus
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