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Old 29.07.2014, 14:39
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Re: EU rejects renegotiation of free movement

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I'm curious also about frontalier permits, whether and by how much they may be curbed. Seems to be a sore point in certain border zones.
That was one of the reasons for the nearly 70% YES vote here.

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Old 29.07.2014, 14:42
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That was one of the reasons for the nearly 70% YES vote here.

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But what has changed in relation to frontalier permits?
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Old 29.07.2014, 14:46
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But what has changed in relation to frontalier permits?
Nothing, yet.

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Old 29.07.2014, 14:49
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But what has changed in relation to frontalier permits?


Well, the federal council has announced that the quota system will also include those permits. As a matter of fact, I'm expecting these to be the first to be introduced as the border areas are taking the full brunt right now.
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Well, the federal council has announced that the quota system will also include those permits. As a matter of fact, I'm expecting these to be the first to be introduced as the border areas are taking the full brunt right now.
do you have a source for that?
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Re: EU rejects renegotiation of free movement

I was traveling last week in London on the underground and according to my racial profiling and hearing scenes I strongly believe, that me and a lovely 75 year old lady where the only UK borne travelers but funny enough, after a small chat with her, neither of us are living there anymore..
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Old 29.07.2014, 15:07
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Ecopop also say "ECOPOP distanziert sich klar von fremdenfeindlichen und rassistischen Ansichten." - clearly it's not a right wing organisation.
You may find PNOS say the same.

It's a bit like the disclaimer on the incandescent light bulb that says it's not to be used as a light source.
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Old 29.07.2014, 15:48
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do you have a source for that?
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...-a-976532.html
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I was traveling last week in London on the underground and according to my racial profiling and hearing scenes I strongly believe, that me and a lovely 75 year old lady where the only UK borne travelers but funny enough, after a small chat with her, neither of us are living there anymore..
What about it, what's the relevance of you racial profiling a tube train?
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Old 30.07.2014, 10:50
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I was traveling last week in London on the underground and according to my racial profiling and hearing scenes I strongly believe, that me and a lovely 75 year old lady where the only UK borne travelers but funny enough, after a small chat with her, neither of us are living there anymore..
So only people of a certain colour can be born in the UK now? I think you should give your racial profiling a rest, or do you not see the hypocracy now that you live in a country you weren't born in?
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Old 30.07.2014, 11:04
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So only people of a certain colour can be born in the UK now? I think you should give your racial profiling a rest, or do you not see the hypocracy now that you live in a country you weren't born in?
I was on the reverse of that once.

Many years ago, when i was between jobs I signed on with a temp agency and spent some weeks working in a small factory. Besides me, there was only one other white guy in our group and one of the brown guys would sometimes start a sentence when addressing one of us with "You Swiss ...". It later turned out that the other white guy was just as foreign as I was but more than half the brown guys had a Swiss passport.

I suppose this shows that

a) you can't judge by appearances
b) brown guys are just as likely to assume based on stereotypes as white guys are.
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Re: EU rejects renegotiation of free movement

Perhaps the Swiss should renegotiate on this basis.

"EU free movement should mean the "freedom to move to a job" - not to look for work or benefits - Home Secretary Theresa May has said.

This would be a return to the "original principle" of free movement in the EU, she wrote in the Sunday Times."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34100643
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Old 30.08.2015, 11:56
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Perhaps the Swiss should renegotiate on this basis.

"EU free movement should mean the "freedom to move to a job" - not to look for work or benefits - Home Secretary Theresa May has said.

This would be a return to the "original principle" of free movement in the EU, she wrote in the Sunday Times."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34100643
The Swiss can negotiate on many bases but I don't think the EU will fall for it.
Right now both sides are winning from the bilaterals, thus the Swiss cannot really threaten that they will cancel them.


With respect to the UK, I hope the EU will tell them that exceptions are over and they are free to decide to stay or to go. But I can't predict.
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Old 30.08.2015, 12:01
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Right now both sides are winning from the bilaterals, thus the Swiss cannot really threaten that they will cancel them.
But by your logic, the EU can't threaten to cancel them either, so Switzerland can continue to ignore freedom of movement and otherwise carry on as normal...
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Perhaps the Swiss should renegotiate on this basis.

"EU free movement should mean the "freedom to move to a job" - not to look for work or benefits - Home Secretary Theresa May has said...
Switzerland does not have to pay any social benefits to anyone from EU looking for a job, BUT what is worrying is that many AHVs in Switzerland has no clue about this and they keep paying...and then they cry about foreigners coming here looking for jobs and getting benefits...
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Old 30.08.2015, 12:13
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But by your logic, the EU can't threaten to cancel them either, so Switzerland can continue to ignore freedom of movement and otherwise carry on as normal...
So far Switzerland has not done anything of the sort. Still playing by the rules.
You mean Switzerland can start ignoring Freedom of Movement?
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Old 30.08.2015, 12:16
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So far Switzerland has not done anything of the sort. Still playing by the rules.
You mean Switzerland can start ignoring Freedom of Movement?
Yes, and hopefully SOON!

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So far Switzerland has not done anything of the sort. Still playing by the rules.
You mean Switzerland can start ignoring Freedom of Movement?
Now when the CHF is really strong Switzerland will not jeopardise anything with the EU

the ME initiative will be rightfully forgotten...
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Old 30.08.2015, 12:23
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Yes, and hopefully SOON!

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Those will be interesting times for sure.
The turning point will be when Switzerland will have to lift the quotas on Romanians, Bulgarians and (separately) Croatians. Will it happen?
Or when they tell a French or German national that he has to wait for the permit before starting work.
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Old 30.08.2015, 12:30
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But by your logic, the EU can't threaten to cancel them either, so Switzerland can continue to ignore freedom of movement and otherwise carry on as normal...
The EU is not and has not threatened to cancel the agreements. Our actions and ours alone will determine the outcome, if we ignore the rules of the agreement then the the domino effect will be that the agreements fall. And even if the agreements do fall the EU will do nothing different in order for us to see the impact, they will simply apply their standard third country rules that is all, because that is position we will have placed ourselves in.
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