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Old 24.07.2014, 23:18
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EU rejects renegotiation of free movement

In case anyone missed it: EU rejects renegotiation of free movement

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It does not seem like we have any friends in there! I guess there is now a very real possibility that the bilateral agreement will be broken in the near future.
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Old 24.07.2014, 23:20
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Fine with me, I certainly have no desire to live in the EU.

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In case anyone missed it: EU rejects renegotiation of free movement

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It does not seem like we have any friends in there! I guess there is now a very real possibility that the bilateral agreement will be broken in the near future.
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Fine with me, I certainly have no desire to live in the EU.

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Other Swiss may disagree with you.
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Old 25.07.2014, 06:06
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Fine with me, I certainly have no desire to live in the EU.

Tom
Neither do I.

BUT Micheline Calmy-Rey, in close conjunction with EU chief Juncker and CH Foreign Minister Burkhalter will move CH into the EU. And who started this development ? Agent-Provocateur-contre-coeur Mr Blocher You may now ask "DID HE FAIL ?" I am not sure at all. He may, in old age, become important again, on a DIFFERENT level
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It does not seem like we have any friends in there!
I'd beg to differ - Switzerland has a lot of friends... but it is simply nonsensical to ask the EU to change their core ground pillars. What did Switzerland want to renegotiate? They wanted free movement for all Swiss within Schengen, but limited movement for others coming to Switzerland. What exactly did you expect the EU to answer?

Schengen is about free movement and nothing else. Free movement is not free if it is a one way street. If Switzerland won't agree to that should they simply stay out of Schengen, end of story. Nothing wrong with that, but it should be discussed openly and fair instead of pretending that it's the EUs fault...
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I'd beg to differ - Switzerland has a lot of friends... but it is simply nonsensical to ask the EU to change their core ground pillars. What did Switzerland want to renegotiate? They wanted free movement for all Swiss within Schengen, but limited movement for others coming to Switzerland. What exactly did you expect the EU to answer?

Schengen is about free movement and nothing else. Free movement is not free if it is a one way street. If Switzerland won't agree to that should they simply stay out of Schengen, end of story. Nothing wrong with that, but it should be discussed openly and fair instead of pretending that it's the EUs fault...
Whatever, the entry into the Schengen Agreement as approved by a Federal Public Vote
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I'd beg to differ - Switzerland has a lot of friends... but it is simply nonsensical to ask the EU to change their core ground pillars. What did Switzerland want to renegotiate? They wanted free movement for all Swiss within Schengen, but limited movement for others coming to Switzerland. What exactly did you expect the EU to answer?

Schengen is about free movement and nothing else. Free movement is not free if it is a one way street. If Switzerland won't agree to that should they simply stay out of Schengen, end of story. Nothing wrong with that, but it should be discussed openly and fair instead of pretending that it's the EUs fault...
Actually you've confused the Schengen agreement and the European Union. The Schengen argreement is a system of open borders within Europe and a single system of visas for entry into the Schengen zone. The freedom of movement (European Union) is the right of EU nationals and nationals of countries having concluded agreements with the EU (Switzerland, Norway, Iceland, and Liechtenstein) to enter, reside in and work in all member countries.

There is no reason Switzerland would have to leave the Schengen agreement if it severed the bilateral treaties; Swiss nationals would just be treated the same way as Sammarinese, Monégasque, Andorran, and Vatican nationals. Such citizens are not checked or stamped within the EU (they're all enclaves within the EU), but require permission to live in EU countries (+Switzerland, Norway, and Iceland).

There is also–to my knowledge–no call to reinstate passport controls between Schengen countries and Switzerland.
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I'd beg to differ - Switzerland has a lot of friends... but it is simply nonsensical to ask the EU to change their core ground pillars.
Sorry I was being sarcastic.. I full agree with you, but do not confuse the Schengen Area with the free movement rights provided by the bilateral agreement.

All our political parties have done the country a great disservice, the SVP by 'tricking' the people into voting to break the bilateral agreement via the back door and the other parties for failing to aggressively point this out.
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Fine with me, I certainly have no desire to live in the EU.

Tom
Well I doubt that many of the voters wanted that, but I also doubt that many of the voters wanted a total split either, but it appears that is exactly what we are getting....
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Other Swiss may disagree with you.
So?

They should have voted then.

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Old 25.07.2014, 10:01
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Re: EU rejects renegotiation of free movement

Schengen is a separate treaty but ending EU workers rights to live in Switzerland may well have consequences for Schengen also.
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Old 25.07.2014, 10:05
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Other Swiss may disagree with you.
They can freely move a few kilometers away, and will live in their paradise land.

I don't think it's difficult, we are only surrounded by Europeans countries...
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Sorry I was being sarcastic.. I full agree with you, but do not confuse the Schengen Area with the free movement rights provided by the bilateral agreement.

All our political parties have done the country a great disservice, the SVP by 'tricking' the people into voting to break the bilateral agreement via the back door and the other parties for failing to aggressively point this out.
Before the vote I told several pro voters that this could break the bilateral agreements but they did not believe me, quite aggressively so in a couple of cases.
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Before the vote I told several pro voters that this could break the bilateral agreements but they did not believe me, quite aggressively so in a couple of cases.

Same here.

Horizon2020, just plain facts:

Just facts: on many projects submitted very very few got accepted.

Furthermore there were something like 600 scientists petitioning to move the management of the Human Brain Projects, because they say it is not well done. I suppose it is bullshit and people just want the money of the HBP. Still, without the vote of the 9th of February, that 1.5 Billion euros assigned to Switzerland would have simply stayed in Switzerland, whatever was the management.

These 600 scientists are the same that evaluate EU projects.... well you get the idea of what is happening.
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Still, without the vote of the 9th of February, that 1.5 Billion euros assigned to Switzerland would have simply stayed in Switzerland, whatever was the management.
No personal diss, but if you can be bought so easily, then maybe democracy is not your thing
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Re: EU rejects renegotiation of free movement

When I first came to Switzerland there wasn't yet Schengen and there weren't a whole load of other things but I don't recall life being much worse and I got my work permit all the same as did many others. If we are genuinely moving back to that situation, I don't see that being the end f the world.

On the other hand, I relish the prospect of the EU getting mud on its face.

So having weighed up both sides of the argument, let's do it.
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So having weighed up both sides of the argument, let's do it.
Let's kick EU butt!
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On the other hand, I relish the prospect of the EU getting mud on its face.
Typical anti-EU drivel coming from a Brit
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Re: EU rejects renegotiation of free movement

I wonder how many people are here, like me, because of the EU passport.

I bet if I waved my NZ passport about I would have found it that much harder to get a job, flat, bank account etc...
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Re: EU rejects renegotiation of free movement

I am getting a bit bored with the constant anti-EU rhetoric in Switzerland. If Switzerland believes that it is in their interest to step out of a deal they signed with the EU regarding free movement of people, they should just do that. But then they should live with the consequences instead of blaming the EU. It's not the EU that asked to change the terms and conditions.
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